IMMIGRATION thread

[wooly_mammoth]

Yup, everyone knows those women have sexually molested themselves and then they threw the blame on the immigrants.

[Fragony]

Grab not their breasts and church your evil faith, but thank the builder for the trials that shape thee..

disclaimer, only a few will get this

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Yup, everyone knows those women have sexually molested themselves and then they threw the blame on the immigrants.

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

[Fragony]

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

Wny need evidence. One must assume that someone acts reationaly. Methods might seem irrational, at first, but the purpose isn't. Our enemies are not dumb.

[Sarmatian]

Wny need evidence.

Exactly!

[Fragony]

It are the migrants themselves who claim that there are jihadi's comming along. Anyone sane would think, yes of course

[Husar]

It are the migrants themselves who claim that there are jihadi's comming along. Anyone sane would think, yes of course

Are they also asking for big fences and to be kept outside? I mean, what exactly is the point?

I mean most people use "there are jihadists among them" as an argument to keep all of them outside, should we only keep the ones who warn us of jihadis? Should we go "Thank you, now get out!"? I'm not entirely clear on the logic here. If we didn't accept any, we would have never known there are jihadis among them, now that we have a million, they told us that they brought some jihadis along? Did jihadis not manage to come to Europe before 2015?

[Fragony]

Apart from the jihadi's and rapefugees, gving false hope is just cruel. Nothing that was promised by the most cynical industry in the universe and suroundings is true, and as a well-meaning person I despise those who facilitate it. Merkel made herself the mutti of human-trafficking. Security-risks aside, she's got blood on her hands.

People who call me a bigot, you know who are, are you actually sheltering anyone, because I actually do that.

[Snowhobbit]

Are they also asking for big fences and to be kept outside? I mean, what exactly is the point?

I mean most people use "there are jihadists among them" as an argument to keep all of them outside, should we only keep the ones who warn us of jihadis? Should we go "Thank you, now get out!"? I'm not entirely clear on the logic here. If we didn't accept any, we would have never known there are jihadis among them, now that we have a million, they told us that they brought some jihadis along? Did jihadis not manage to come to Europe before 2015?

From my perspective the bigger issue is that we need to be better at rooting them out and getting them out of the country/life-time in jail. It is of great concern to me that people who have fled violence and terror will get to be room-mates with the people that they fled from. Given the massive degree of violence within our refugee shelters, it is clearly an issue. But to be clear, no the borders should not be closed in order to "keep the terrorists out". We have a bigger problem with home-grown terrorists than those coming with the influx I'm sure. We've certainly "exported" enough of them.

[Snowhobbit]

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

While it is nice of you to try to twist the argument, do note that he used the word "immigrant" and not refugee. Now of course I am sure you will explain how all of those North African men are native Germans :).

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

While it is nice of you to try to twist the argument, do note that he used the word "immigrant" and not refugee. Now of course I am sure you will explain how all of those North African men are native Germans :).

But it is you who twisted the argument then, isn't it? You didn't correct the misapprehension by making clear that there is a distinction between immigrants and regugees, you simply transplanted the word immigrant for refugee. Given the context of the discussion that is, frankly, disingenuous.

[Snowhobbit]

But it is you who twisted the argument then, isn't it? You didn't correct the misapprehension by making clear that there is a distinction between immigrants and regugees, you simply transplanted the word immigrant for refugee. Given the context of the discussion that is, frankly, disingenuous.

No, you are the person who transplanted one word meaning one thing with another. I agree that is a very disingenuous way of arguing, but hey that is how you argue so I'm not sure why you are telling me. Do you not read what people post when you respond to them?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...di-backgrounds

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...e-failure.html

Al EU residents, all known. Tell me, given that they have legitimate EU passports....why would any of them be trying to use a false passport? And why would they take it with them on a terror attack, and leave it in a, presumably, loose pocket so that it could fall out?

Yes, what reason could they have for wanting to enter the country without the intelligence services knowing that they have? Maybe they planned to attack certain public places and didn't want to get stopped?

Obviously there was an intelligence failure that lead to the successful attack, same as how the shoot-out a few days later was in contrast successful. Do note btw that your articles do not claim what you say about the French intelligence forces knowing that he had come back to France. Of course they knew that these people were radicals, there are thousands of them on the list of radicals. But because I put a name on a list does not mean I know the whereabouts of that person. If they had returned using their own passports, then it would have been known and they would have been monitored.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

No, you are the person who transplanted one word meaning one thing with another. I agree that is a very disingenuous way of arguing, but hey that is how you argue so I'm not sure why you are telling me. Do you not read what people post when you respond to them?

Ok....let us have a quick resumé of this part of the discussion. I pointed out that

"Just like the idea that refugees are responsible for the New Year attacks on women...you might want to update yourselves on that information as well...."

To which the response was made;

"Yup, everyone knows those women have sexually molested themselves and then they threw the blame on the immigrants."

You'll note that this response is not an acceptance of my point, that it was not refugees. This argument is NOT...'you are correct, they were not refugees they were other immigrants, but was a clear conflation of the two terms. The term 'immigrants' has simply been transplanted for 'refugees' but has been used synonymously. Not for the first or last time within the discussion (see the later "It are the migrants themselves who claim that there are jihadi's comming along." - referring to refugees)

So your claim that the word is being used distinctly from the term 'refugees' is at best limpid inattention...of course one need only look back over the discussion to check the voracity of one's position.

Of course...there are certain sections of societies who are opposed to immigration more generally...and for whom the refugees are simply another burden upon more...righteous? nations.....and tying them to terrorism is an easy 'out'.....'it's not that I've got anything against these people but.....they might be dangerous'

Yes, what reason could they have for wanting to enter the country without the intelligence services knowing that they have? Maybe they planned to attack certain public places and didn't want to get stopped?

Obviously there was an intelligence failure that lead to the successful attack, same as how the shoot-out a few days later was in contrast successful. Do note btw that your articles do not claim what you say about the French intelligence forces knowing that he had come back to France. Of course they knew that these people were radicals, there are thousands of them on the list of radicals. But because I put a name on a list does not mean I know the whereabouts of that person. If they had returned using their own passports, then it would have been known and they would have been monitored.

Except....you'll note that Europol accept that they have no evidence that Jihadists are travelling with refugees (look here http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6738821.html - there are even questions raised as to whether the passport was planted in order to sow discontent and distrust (so that all of this fear-mongering is EXACTLY WHAT the terrorists want....so hats off to you all for your impressive victory over terrrorism, eh? ) which suggests that they know how and when these EU passport holders re-entered the EU.....

[AE Bravo]

Tough to burst the bubble, it's white privilege.

Yes, it's EUs responsibility to some extent. Thank you for assuming responsibility.

[Snowhobbit]

Ok....let us have a quick resumé of this part of the discussion. I pointed out that

"Just like the idea that refugees are responsible for the New Year attacks on women...you might want to update yourselves on that information as well...."

To which the response was made;

"Yup, everyone knows those women have sexually molested themselves and then they threw the blame on the immigrants."

You'll note that this response is not an acceptance of my point, that it was not refugees. This argument is NOT...'you are correct, they were not refugees they were other immigrants, but was a clear conflation of the two terms. The term 'immigrants' has simply been transplanted for 'refugees' but has been used synonymously. Not for the first or last time within the discussion (see the later "It are the migrants themselves who claim that there are jihadi's comming along." - referring to refugees)

So your claim that the word is being used distinctly from the term 'refugees' is at best limpid inattention...of course one need only look back over the discussion to check the voracity of one's position.

Of course...there are certain sections of societies who are opposed to immigration more generally...and for whom the refugees are simply another burden upon more...righteous? nations.....and tying them to terrorism is an easy 'out'.....'it's not that I've got anything against these people but.....they might be dangerous'




Except....you'll note that Europol accept that they have no evidence that Jihadists are travelling with refugees (look here http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6738821.html - there are even questions raised as to whether the passport was planted in order to sow discontent and distrust (so that all of this fear-mongering is EXACTLY WHAT the terrorists want....so hats off to you all for your impressive victory over terrrorism, eh? ) which suggests that they know how and when these EU passport holders re-entered the EU.....

Right, you use the word refugees, another person uses the word immigrants. A person who knows how to read would at this point realize that immigrants being a different word from refugees denotes a different meaning. That is why they are different words.
But do please go ahead and paint me as a racist, clearly reading what I write is more work than building strawmen. Most impressive.


"The French prosecutor's office said the fingerprints of the dead man matched a print of a person registered under the same name in Greece in October 2015. " But of course just because a passport with matching fingerprints entered the EU with the stream does not in any way mean that the person entered with that stream.
The testimonials of refugees living in asylum centers about ISIS fighters is of course all just made up, we know for sure that 100% of all people who have come to Europe illegally are well intentioned people who wouldn't harm a fly.
I have yet to see you explain btw why it is that the "brains" behind the operation was believed to be in Syria when he was found and killed in Paris?

[wooly_mammoth]

As I said...you might want to get up to speed with the evidence vis a vis those attacks and refugees..as opposed to knee-jerk headlines.

Well, there was that footage with a german woman, her eyes welling with tears as she was passed around and fondled all over by a large group of what I will politely call subhumans of non-european descent, but that too must be a part of the occult ruse aimed at concealing the real enemy of man, right?

[Fragony]

Don't bother she is lost by now, nobody wants to know what happened to her. You do, I do, but we are kinda alone. Just like her.

[Sarmatian]

Don't bother she is lost by now, nobody wants to know what happened to her. You do, I do, but we are kinda alone. Just like her.

Frags, do you really don't understand the difference between a criminal and a rather large group of people the criminal belongs too, or are you playing dumb?

Two days ago an Uber driver shot 6 people in Kalamazoo. Which group do we hold responsible? Uber drivers, Americans, Christians or white males?

[Husar]

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Angela Merkel doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing.