Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
See Brenus pointing to overthrowing the Shah as one of the root causes of the current mess in Syria. Apparently a native people having had their own choice of government for 40 years, developing their strength to the point that they're now asserting their power in their region, is still the helpless victim of our actions 40 years ago, and their current actions in conducting a proxy war with another regional power is chiefly our fault. Apparently the natives are incapable of independent thought or responsibility, as everything is down to us.
So, if a country A sponsors a violent coup in country B, how long should country A be held at least partly responsible for the damage in country B in your opinion? A month, a year, not at all?

Or, if country A helps arm, train and encourage rebels in country B, is there any responsibility at least during that process?

It's already been decided that the west, and especially the Anglo-Americans, are already morally wrong in any given situation, so why should we bother to change our minds? As nothing we do will ever change that inescapable fact, as shown by your dismissal of any credit that the locals ever give the British (it doesn't change the bigger picture etc). Not doing anything on our part doesn't make us wronger, as we're already morally wrong, but on the good side, it's cheaper for us.
This is getting really weird.

First, I'd like to point out that America is not in the EU. Then, I'd like to point out that Britain /= EU, it's just a small part of it.
After that, who said US and UK were always morally wrong? Then, why do you require the crowd adoration before you make a morally right choice? Morally right choices are usually unpopular.

Furthermore, if you really believe that people around the world should shout "All hail glorious Britain, as she took upon herself to civilize the world from completely selfless motives". I don't care how patriotic you are, if you believe British (or insert country) imperialism was not first and foremost about serving British (or insert country) interests, you really have a problem.

Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
No, and I am in the good company of just about everybody in Europe. Thinking is not the same thing as feeling. She should have gotten a pet to pet. Even religiously insane narcists like petting pets, could have saved a lot of trouble if she could have channeled her condition on petting a pet.
Really? I'd say you aren't in the company of just about everybody on this board.