IMMIGRATION thread

[Greyblades]

I'm sorry but.....this is just rabid BS. I live in Leeds. We have a large Muslim population here, Muslims come from surrounding areas to work here (Bradford, Keighley, Huddersfield etc.). I know a lot of Muslims and, there are not "quite a few" who "cheer them on". They go to mosque, a number of them take their own annual leave to do charitable work. They are, in other ways, remarkably like the other human beings I live and work alongside. Who'd have thunk it, eh? That they might be like...people.

I don't see the menace you describe, it has no reality.

"I cannot see god therefore he doesnt exist."

Tell me how many of the muslims you know are poor, how many are migrants, first generation, second? How many of them have you gone out and asked if they celebrate? How many of them would answer you truthfully if they did?

I dare say all of us british orgahs have similar experiences of british muslims, most of them are integrated fine and even ones that are not are sure to put on a brave face while in public but it is fallacious in the extreme to dismiss the existance of a undercurrent of sympathy just because you personally, as an outsider looking in, have not knowingly encountered it.

[Sarmatian]

"I cannot see god therefore he doesnt exist."

Tell me how many of the muslims you know are poor, how many are migrants, first generation, second? How many of them have you gone out and asked if they celebrate? How many of them would answer you truthfully if they did?

I dare say all of us british orgahs have similar experiences of british muslims, most of them are integrated fine and even ones that are not are sure to put on a brave face while in public but it is fallacious in the extreme to dismiss the existance of a undercurrent of sympathy just because you personally, as an outsider looking in, have not knowingly encountered it.

You actually wrote a post that makes sense.

With Snowhobbit educating people in law in the other thread, something bad is gonna happen tomorrow, I know it.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

"I cannot see god therefore he doesnt exist."

Tell me how many of the muslims you know are poor, how many are migrants, first generation, second? How many of them have you gone out and asked if they celebrate? How many of them would answer you truthfully if they did?

I dare say all of us british orgahs have similar experiences of british muslims, most of them are integrated fine and even ones that are not are sure to put on a brave face while in public but it is fallacious in the extreme to dismiss the existance of a undercurrent of sympathy just because you personally, as an outsider looking in, have not knowingly encountered it.

I see you are shifting your argument somewhat now. Now it's only particular Muslims we need to watch or....they're lying to me. Yes, that's it. They're just very good liars. Those perfectly normal family lives, relationships we discuss.....? All just made up to cover their bomb-making and arms smuggling. Why those dirty scoundrels....why I oughta...!!



Let me remind you of what I was responding to:

"...What the Muslims demonstrate is that, unlike nearly every other immigrant community, there is no reliable process of integration for them. However well any individual or generation integrates, there is a high likelihood that somewhere along the line there will be someone who decides they are Muslims first and British nowhere, and that this justifies violence against the British people...."

"What the Muslims demonstrate"...you know like all of them, or the vast majority..."..there is no reliable process of integration for them..."

Rabid, vacuous nonsense.

[Greyblades]

I'm shifting my argument from one I have not made? Are you incapable of differentiating one speaker from another?

I was slapping you down for making a stupid argument, I dont really care what you were responding to, the fact remains the average man will rarely voice an opinion he holds that is deemed unpopular or even treasonous by society save behind closed doors. The lack of anyone openly admitting to such views withing your narrow perview does in no way make the presence of such sentiments an impossibility.

You actually wrote a post that makes sense.

Little is more worrysome than the madman declaring one sane, Nor anything more releiving than a sane man turned clear.

[Husar]

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

I'm shifting my argument from one I have not made? Are you incapable of differentiating one speaker from another?

I was slapping you down for making a stupid argument, I dont really care what you were responding to, the fact remains the average man will rarely voice an opinion he holds that is deemed unpopular or even treasonous by society save behind closed doors. The lack of anyone openly admitting to such views withing your narrow perview does in no way make the presence of such sentiments an impossibility.

My apologies, both to you and Pannonian. So...they're all liars? That's all you've got? I should ignore my own experience and believe the hype. All these Muslims...they're a menace, they can't be integrated ('into decent society' is the undertow dragging this argument along). I know the people I speak of. I am more extreme in my views than they are. I feel sympathy for those poor buggers being bombed out of their homes. The majority of the people in this country didn't want our government to increase their misery. They took no notice. Just as they took no notice of the marches and demonstrations against invading Iraq. They went ahead and did it anyway.

The majority of Muslims in the UK (the VAST majority) have no time for the Salafist, Wahabist 'Islam' proclaimed by ISIS..they are outright disdainful of and disgusted by it. Because these people (because that is what they are) are appalled by what is going on in 'our name' does not make them terrorist sympathisers, any more than my being appalled by what is going on in 'our name' makes me a terrorist sympathiser.

Your (and Pannonian's) references to the state of the Muslim communities in our country are wholly divergent from reality.

[Snowhobbit]

Your (and Pannonian's) references to the state of the Muslim communities in our country are wholly divergent from reality.

Are you looking into a mirror again?