IMMIGRATION thread

[Fragony]

Almost thursday

[Fragony]

lol, guess where 'refugees' from Iritraia spend their holiday 3 2 1, yes

[Husar]

If the guest can't answer in English himself, he's probably a legit Nazi indeed.

[Fragony]

Incredible idea from Germany, they kinda have a problem with the childless mutti's little children, they get very confused when they see pretty women ' I cannotz gropez??' especially in swimming pools. Everywhere but especially there.It's brilliant, make them a bath-meister, the only problen is that they can't swim but they can schaff das.

Sweden 2.0

[Charge]

So, what is the general attitude towards the immigrants in EU? Or better said,a neighbor who's an immigrant, what is YOUR attitude towards him?:) I mean, normal kind of an immigrant. Not like our "mountain" type of men from Caucasus, dancing 'lezghinka' on the streets at any time of the day and walking around in groups, bullying those who cant defend themselves, being completely "unseen" by the law:) Those, who come to countries and work, live as europeans, pay taxes, respect local people and their culture and so on. I guess there isnt a problem, so long as the attitudes towards both parties are right, and friendly..

[Fragony]

Pretty kindly, but as always don't who don't deserve to be are sometimes at the receiving end, especially in smaller villages. If I go to the bible belt or any small community they want me out as well. No problems in the cities, specially Rotterdam is a bit of a bonzai-NYC Can only speak for the Netherlands.

[Greyblades]

So, what is the general attitude towards the immigrants in EU? Or better said,a neighbor who's an immigrant, what is YOUR attitude towards him?:) I mean, normal kind of an immigrant. Not like our "mountain" type of men from Caucasus, dancing 'lezghinka' on the streets at any time of the day and walking around in groups, bullying those who cant defend themselves, being completely "unseen" by the law:) Those, who come to countries and work, live as europeans, pay taxes, respect local people and their culture and so on. I guess there isnt a problem, so long as the attitudes towards both parties are right, and friendly..

Regular migrants I'm completely fine with, my misgivings for regular immigration is that the government is letting too many in too fast, not that they're here at all. I must admit I am never happy seeing a muslim woman in a black face veil.

[Fragony]

Hardly ever see those here, but just give them what they want. Ignore them if they are in a line, you can't see them after all. Calling an ambulance if they are wounded, sorry can't see you. They are not human to me, just a bag of meat and bones wearing a sack.

[Fragony]

Well that is one hell of a muppet
so a neo nazi holocaust denier got arrested because he posted some 1930s racial purity propoganda on social media.

Police is going to be very busy if they have to do a housesearch every time our new neighbours from the sandlands say profoundly antisemetic things or glorify terrorist-attacks or openly cheer on the IS most horrible deeds. Is that guy an idiot, yes, double standards, absolutily.

[Greyblades]

Well that is one hell of a muppet
so a neo nazi holocaust denier got arrested because he posted some 1930s racial purity propoganda on social media.

The hell? What video did you watch? At worst this guy was a Reichsbürgerbewegung, aka a prussian nostalgist/state citizen. Where the hell are you getting holocaust denier?

And 30's race propaganda? It was a naked blonde woman pictured in mid motion looking like she's doing the nazi salute and captioned " it doesnt get more german than this."

[Fragony]

The hell? What video did you watch? At worst this guy was a Reichsbürgerbewegung, aka a prussian nostalgist/state citizen. Where the hell are you getting holocaust denier?

Why bother with inception. I only called him an idiot because he should have known that he would get into trouble. can't also see any holocaust denial.

In the meantime, a rabbi was stabbed by a 'confused man' shouting 'Allahu Akhbar'.

motives unknown, except one

[Legs]

The hell? What video did you watch? . ."

Your video.

At worst this guy was a Reichsbürgerbewegung, aka a prussian nostalgist/state citizen

Yes, not all reichsburger nuts are neo nazis, but lots of them are.
So the question is, is this particular flagwaving nutcase one?
Enough points head in that direction for it to be a pretty safe deduction.

Where the hell are you getting holocaust denier?

Which "historian" is he recomending for the stab in the back and global conspiracy element of his political views?

And 30's race propaganda? It was a naked blonde woman pictured in mid motion looking like she's doing the nazi salute and captioned " it doesnt get more german than this."

Yes, 1930s german aryan certified "art" produced for the promotion of the master race. Reichsculture mate established under Goebells in 1933. Ministry of public enlightenment.
Didn't you hear him mention the origin of the image he posted.


So the question is, did you even watch the bloody video and listen to the idiot on it?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Still smacks of 'thought policing' to me. Unless and until he incites harm against another, his hateful opinions are his own problem. Belief in the tropes of Nazism brands you as a bit of an idiot, but stupidity is not criminal.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

That is where it gets interesting, he was only one of sixty people who had their computers seized.
He is part of a group yes?
The group is closely monitored by the German domestic security service because it has issued death threats against "traitors".

Okay, if there is any perception of credibility from the threats, THAT would justify investigation and possible prosecution. I just hate efforts to make laws about a person's thoughts and the expression thereof. I believe people have a right to idiotic views (as long as they don't represent a threat to the neighbors).

[Husar]

Okay, if there is any perception of credibility from the threats, THAT would justify investigation and possible prosecution. I just hate efforts to make laws about a person's thoughts and the expression thereof. I believe people have a right to idiotic views (as long as they don't represent a threat to the neighbors).

Does it represent a threat to the neighbors if they vote accordingly for a government that is very bad for the neighbors?

[Fragony]

Sympathising with nazi's is not a crime, I don't understand why someone sympethises with nazi's but if someone does so what really. I'm not going to buy him a beer but sympathise with nazi's all you want as long as you don't harm anyone

[Legs]

Sympathising with nazi's is not a crime,

That depends on the different legislation different countries have. It also depends on how the "sympathy" is expressed.
Does Germany have such laws?
Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party; the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization,
shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.


Looks like they do.

[Legs]

What about the "Are you incredibly stupid?"

Well neo nazi marches have been widely coverered on the tv news and in print media.
It would be pretty difficult to not know what flags they like to carry on their protests, unless you knew virtually nothing about the subject you were talking about.
So if a person wanted to make a claim that the flag has no connection with neo nazis in germany it isn't something that is hard to check before they went ahead and made the claim.

So does "ignorant" or "wilfully ignorant" describe it better than "incredibly stupid"? Because the only possible deductions are;
A
a person doesn't know what they are talkling about but is still making claims on the subject.
B
a person does know what they are talking about but is making a claim that is clearly false.

Either one of which can only lead to questions about the level of intelligence being applied by the person.