IMMIGRATION thread

[Legs]

It's pretty baffling what's happening in Turkey (and Turkish organisations and communitiesin Europe) but it's another discussion, it's a matter of law and the guy who's house was searched didn't commit any crime, so it comes close to thought-policing, or already is really. You don't have to like him

Good grief, its a matter of law, it is illegal and he admitted doing it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...That Republicans have more guns on average is not surprising at all. They they are more likely to kill innocent animals isn't either.

Scamp. You did note that quite a few Dems are pretty well armed as well.

[Husar]

Scamp. You did note that quite a few Dems are pretty well armed as well.

Of course, but even that wasn't surprising because on the one hand I know a little bit about US society and on the other hand I would like to own guns myself, despite thinking it's probably not a good idea...

[Papewaio]

I cannot argue that what you say is impossible. I can assert that USA culture, from inception to present, does NOT lend itself to such. A tyranny of the majority would have to be profound majority to re-cast things in a fascist mold given our system. And yes, it is the cultural difference above all that spells the difference.

Different places, with different traditions and cultural views HAVE taken the "boot on the neck" approach and used it successfully for decades at a stretch. That is why I expressed myself as I did -- I am not going to claim that I am so knowledgeable of your culture that I could judge the rightness of such laws in that context. I only expressed reservations.

I'm not convinced this is as true as we would like it to be. At inception the U.S. had slavery, it had a bloody civil war, various fiddling with elections in South America, racial segregation, and most closest to the current situation was the era of Joseph McCarthy.

Just replace Joseph McCarthy rhetoric of Reds with Muslims and the current situation could easily devolve into a similar situation.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I'm not convinced this is as true as we would like it to be. At inception the U.S. had slavery, it had a bloody civil war, various fiddling with elections in South America, racial segregation, and most closest to the current situation was the era of Joseph McCarthy.

Just replace Joseph McCarthy rhetoric of Reds with Muslims and the current situation could easily devolve into a similar situation.

Yet forces struggled throughout the history of the republic to right those injustices, even at the cost of 600k+ dead. We have our demagogues (Trump, Coughlin, Long) and they do enjoy success for a time but there is too much cultural pull towards individual rights and liberties for it too last. May take us longer than it should in terms of ideal morality choices to correct our problems....but we do.

McCarthy was an opportunist who did a good bit of fear-mongering to make himself a "player." That too faded when the public found him going too far.

Though it should be noted that he was actually a lot more accurate in his predictions that we were riddled by the Chekists than modern sensibilities like to recall. Once the CCCP stopped being a going concern, their old records were quite revealing.

[Hooahguy]

Watch yourselves Gentlemen. That video about the people who had their houses raided came too close to advocating the works of a Holocaust denier for comfort so I decided to delete it from this thread. In the future, refrain from posting such things.

[Gilrandir]

Watch yourselves Gentlemen.

Chauvinism!! What if there are some ladies around here?

[Fragony]

Fine but that was not what was in there, guy just liked a picture

[Legs]

Fine but that was not what was in there, guy just liked a picture

False.
As was pointed out to another person who made that claim, the video proves that to not be true in the first 10 minutes.

[Fragony]

Well it has been deleted so I'm not in plain sight anymore phew. There are no more than 10 minutes that is roughly how long the interview is. And it isn't there.

[Greyblades]

Watch yourselves Gentlemen. That video about the people who had their houses raided came too close to advocating the works of a Holocaust denier for comfort so I decided to delete it from this thread. In the future, refrain from posting such things.

You might want to update the FAQ, for I was under the impression that "Any subject is open for discussion in the Backroom"

The main reason I come here and not elsewhere is because we are allowed to discuss political issue without being interfered by mods using thier powers to suppress a political viewpoint. The deletion is an extreme overreaction and if this is a sign of a change in the way this board is moderated then I will lose my main reason to stay.

[Gilrandir]

I will lose my main reason to stay.

Somehow the British are repeating themselves. After Bexit we will witness Greyblaxit?

[Fragony]

Kinda torn on it, should be some limits, you can have a nazi-forum in no-time, if someone really feels the need to deny the holocaust it belongs in the monestary I think. How it's treated if someone does here.

[Greyblades]

Cut out a man's tounge you do not prove him wrong, you prove you are scared of what he has to say.

Principle aside this was an overreaction, a 5 second reference by a noted crazy in an 100 minute interview with said crazy does not make it a video promoting holocaust denial and deleting it is the same type of kneejerk overreaction by local authority that I posted the video to criticize.

Somehow the British are repeating themselves. After Bexit we will witness Greyblaxit?

The British and thier offshoots have come to abhor bowing to the interests of unelected officials in foreign countries, I'd think you'd be more sympathetic considering your nation's recent history.

[Gilrandir]

The British and thier offshoots have come to abhor bowing to the interests of unelected officials in foreign countries, I'd think you'd be more sympathetic considering your nation's recent history.

What about the elected officials? Is it not that abhorrent to bow to such?

Generally, you are overestimating your fellow countrymen. They did and do a lot of nasty things which you deem contrary to their national character.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...-stole....html

[Greyblades]

Apparantly a nation's character needs 100% adheirance to count now.

It's wierd seeing a man who spends years railing against Putin make such a 180 when it comes to the european commission.

[Gilrandir]

Apparantly a nation's character needs 100% adheirance to count now.

I strongly object to overgeneralizations of the kind "the British abhor ..." or "the British like ...". Even people in one apartment block have diverse opinions and preferences to say nothing of the whole nation where one can always find those who go against the general trend and still consider themselves belonging to the nation. How can you deduce that "the Britsh abhor bowing to the interests of unelected officials in foreign countries" seeing the results of the Brexit referendum? Are those 46.6% not British? Or are they wrong British?

And I object even more to attempts to squeeze such vague notions as national character into rigid figures or gauge the adherence to it by percentage.

It's wierd seeing a man who spends years railing against Putin make such a 180 when it comes to the european commission.

Did the European commission annex Wales and invade the Highlands? Does the European commission support the Scottish separatists with money and weapons? When you compare Putin to the European commission you know nothing, Jon Snow.

[Fragony]

Immigration thread is getting kinda interesting, thw V4 countries basicly told the childless mutti that she should solve her own problems after her islamic birdcall. The v4 countries have zero interest in fixing things for her and will veto against anything the EU- I mean the childless mutti demands that they should. Eastern European countries don't like ex-stasi's and it shows, critisism as harsh as the childless mutti got is prettty spectacular, really reaaly harsh, and everything in her empty eyes showed nothing but emptiness.

When will the Germans get rid of this mentally unstable person?

It's so simple, build a fence to protect borders. I got a perfect solution for shelter for immigrants who are already here. The EU building in Strasbourgh isn't exactly short on living very very good. There are more than 3000 empty apartments, free restaurants, a whole shopping mall, unavailaileble for us but it's there, perfect place I'd say. But that isn't going to happen is it, you first have to have Junckers slime or whatever it iis drippng from your face. Can that guy get anymore vulgar. I like good manners, and that headcrab doesn't qualify

[Husar]

When will the Germans get rid of this mentally unstable person?

You're really close to convincing me that I should vote for her in the next elections.
And to answer your question, that usually happens or doesn'r happen by voting, for which there are certain points in time.
You can ask even more often until then and not much will happen, or are you insinuating that one should use other measures?
I hope not, I thought you were a nice person...

Merkel and Clinton could bring more flower power to the world.

[Fragony]

Of course I don't mean what you are hinting at.

And Clinton bringing flower-power lol, sure Hussie

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...When you compare Putin to the European commission you know nothing, Jon Snow.

Actually, I've always thought of 'blades wearing a black leather duster with neck scarf and wielding an ashanderei...though perhaps that is just me.

[Hooahguy]

You might want to update the FAQ, for I was under the impression that "Any subject is open for discussion in the Backroom"

The main reason I come here and not elsewhere is because we are allowed to discuss political issue without being interfered by mods using thier powers to suppress a political viewpoint. The deletion is an extreme overreaction and if this is a sign of a change in the way this board is moderated then I will lose my main reason to stay.

As moderator I felt it better to delete the video to stay on the safe side. Overreaction on my part? Perhaps, but you have also been here long enough to know this is a rare occurrence so I feel you might be overreacting as well.

[Greyblades]

As moderator I felt it better to delete the video to stay on the safe side.

Safe side of what? What rule does it break?

[Fragony]

Don't see it either but it isn't a democracy here, we were at a dead end (olol) anyway. Thread can as well be closed.

[Husar]

Safe side of what? What rule does it break?

knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Org, is discouraged. The Org expects its patrons to remain civil even in the face of disagreements. Any kind of "flaming", slurs, or insults -- addressed to either an individual or a group -- is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

One could say that a holocaust denial is usually inaccurate, hateful and used to harass people, it is also against a law.
And as if that weren't enough, it is an insult addressed to a group that is very inflammatory.

Whether you see it that way or not, moderators have often deleted certain inflammatory content to prevent fights and to be on the safe side.

[Fragony]

One could say that a holocaust denial is usually inaccurate, hateful and used to harass people, it is also against a law.
And as if that weren't enough, it is an insult addressed to a group that is very inflammatory.

Whether you see it that way or not, moderators have often deleted certain inflammatory content to prevent fights and to be on the safe side.

That wasn't in the link though. It was a closed facebook-account for nazi-sympathisers. Why would want to I don't know, but you can sack the houses of just about all aristocracy in Europe if you insist.

[Husar]

That wasn't in the link though. It was a closed facebook-account for nazi-sympathisers. Why would want to I don't know, but you can sack the houses of just about all aristocracy in Europe if you insist.

Why do I get the feeling that there was more than one link?

[Gilrandir]

Safe side of what?

Safe side of the force.

[Legs]

Why do I get the feeling that there was more than one link?

Tricky one eh.
Why is there the impression that there must be two links.
Is it because people are denying the actual content of the one link that was posted therefore the logical explaination to make those denials true would be that there must have really been two videos which have both been deleted.

I am sure the moderator who deleted the single link because of its contents can clarify that it was one link and that it contained the little details which some are still claiming were not present, he could probably also clear it up by referencing the times of each detail which people deny are present in the interview, sort of like 9:20, 10:30 , 43:10, 54:30 kind of thing

[Legs]

That wasn't in the link though. It was a closed facebook-account for nazi-sympathisers. Why would want to I don't know, but you can sack the houses of just about all aristocracy in Europe if you insist.

How on earth could you know that, you said the interview was only 10 minutes long, so obviously you are comletely unaware of its contents