IMMIGRATION thread

[Beskar]

Last time we discussed Holocaust Denial was here when the backroom had a neo-nazi paying a visit. The topic was pretty much put to rest. If you really want to talk about Holocaust Denial, there are websites on the internet that cater for that type of thing on the DarkNet.

As mentioned by Seamus, there are countries where denial is also illegal.

Anyway, this is an immigration topic, so please return to that.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Last time we discussed Holocaust Denial was here when the backroom had a neo-nazi paying a visit. The topic was pretty much put to rest. If you really want to talk about Holocaust Denial, there are websites on the internet that cater for that type of thing on the DarkNet.

As mentioned by Seamus, there are countries where denial is also illegal.

Anyway, this is an immigration topic, so please return to that.

Just checked. "Holocaust denial" is criminal in Belgium (where I believe our servers reside), prosecutable as hate speech/incitement to hatred in Germany, France & the Netherlands. Since this covers all of the spots I believe to be where are server(s) are, our moderators are handling this quite appropriately for the organization.

So....

I do not believe the problem is one of immigration so much as of assimilation. Cultures can and do change -- a degree of change is healthy -- but can only absorb so much change in any one stretch. The USA strictly curtailed immigration in 1924 following the huge wave of immigrants (many from areas bordering the Med or in Eastern Europe) so as to allow for effective assimilation.

May not have been an ideal system, but it does speak to the key issues of concern.

[Legs]

Just checked. "Holocaust denial" is criminal in Belgium (where I believe our servers reside), prosecutable as hate speech/incitement to hatred in Germany, France & the Netherlands. Since this covers all of the spots I believe to be

I do not believe the problem is one of immigration so much as of assimilation. Cultures can and do change -- a degree of change is healthy -- but can only absorb so much change in any one stretch. The USA strictly curtailed immigration in 1924 following the huge wave of immigrants (many from areas bordering the Med or in Eastern Europe) so as to allow for effective assimilation.

May not have been an ideal system, but it does speak to the key issues of concern.

As was mentioned earlier , apart from a very few limited jurisdictions these laws cover"crrimes against humanity" not "holocaust denial"
Which is seemingly an arbituary measure.

So....

I do not believe the problem is one of immigration so much as of assimilation.

Honestly Seamus, stop please stop, how can you say that? From what I gathered of your writing, that episode about assimilation sounds exactly like the NSDAB electoral programe, not at all suggesting that these are views you hold but one must be careful with the language one uses.
Kind reguards, Legs

[Husar]

As was mentioned earlier , apart from a very few limited jurisdictions these laws cover"crrimes against humanity" not "holocaust denial"
Which is seemingly an arbituary measure.

I think wikipedia disagrees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_a...denial#Belgium

Article 1 Whoever, in the circumstances given in article 444 of the Penal Code denies, grossly minimises, attempts to justify, or approves the genocide committed by the German National Socialist Regime during the Second World War shall be punished by a prison sentence of eight days to one year, and by a fine of twenty six francs to five thousand francs.

Honestly Seamus, stop please stop, how can you say that? From what I gathered of your writing, that episode about assimilation sounds exactly like the NSDAB electoral programe, not at all suggesting that these are views you hold but one must be careful with the language one uses.
Kind reguards, Legs

I don't quite see how or why. He basically just said that immigrants need to assimilate, at least to a certain extent, to prevent problems.
I can see how that makes sense unless one believes in the kind of multiculturalism where everyone should keep their culture and not adapt to anything. Though I'm not sure how the latter is supposed to work if a foreign culture demands people to do things that the host culture deems illegal and repulsive, e.g. human sacrifices.

[HopAlongBunny]

Call it "fear of our shadow"
At least here in the America's us "come from aways" stole the land, changed the customs and ruined the economy; no one wants to see that happen

[Seamus Fermanagh]

... Honestly Seamus, stop please stop, how can you say that? From what I gathered of your writing, that episode about assimilation sounds exactly like the NSDAB electoral programe, not at all suggesting that these are views you hold but one must be careful with the language one uses.
Kind reguards, Legs

Slowing the pace of immigration does not equate nativism or hate. After the 1924 law and prior to its repeal in 1970? or so, people still emigrated to the United States perfectly legally -- including my wife's parents. The goal was to slow the absorption rate, not zero it out. An influx of the new is healthy.