IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

Do the servers fall under german jurisdiction now?

The rules say any law, they don't mention a specific country, I chose my words very wisely as you can see.

The main intent of posting the video was an example of how the german authorities (and anti-fa) are raiding people for "hate speech" on the internet; A man posts a provocative picture around on facebook: gets included in a raid of 60 people by the police and a mob defaces his home, then he explains his situation to interviewers a few days later. Simultaniously I wanted to show how the amount of zeal the german police when persuing these people is in stark contrast with the reluctance the german police have exhibited when responding to extremism of their immigrant population over the last two years.

The Sauerland-Gruppe and the NSU would beg to differ.

The video contains no holocaust denial inside it, it has one man spend 5 seconds recomending the viewer listen to a speech by a holocaust denier, that only earns confusion from the interviewers and likely the listeners. You have to dig deep and reference other materiel to find any inflammatory material in it, and likely noone here would have noticed if legs wasnt looking for any excuse to dismiss this man's testimony and excuse his mistreatment, an excuse I am depressed to see some of the rest of you jump on.

I find any material from Sauron of Akkad inflammatory, don't insult my sensibilities.
I also dismissed the video as that of a Nazi whiner long before Legs commented on it, I'm not jumping onto anything here, you're twisting the events now. It is not an excuse, the video is a very one-sided account based on the testimony of a person of highly questionable moral standards...
For someone who always pretends to care about proof you jump onto the trust-train very fast, apparently without questioning his motives.

Every time a mod tried to kill a conversation by deleting the posts without taking further action all it does is make the subject of the deletions feel persecuted, making tensions worse.

Please dont do it again.

Every time? You need to prove that first before I believe it.

[Greyblades]

What mistreatment?

He was raided by the police over nothing worse than ascribing to an ideology the state deems dengerous, if it had been a certain other ideology I'd dare say we'd never hear the end of it.

Would you not consider that perhaps some people are familiar with neo nazi ideology and the symbolism they use and that these things are very easy to spot.

I would consider anyone who could easily spot them wouldnt need to be protected from wrong-think.

The Sauerland-Gruppe and the NSU would beg to differ.

The taharrush gangs of cologne would not.

I find any material from Sauron of Akkad inflammatory, don't insult my sensibilities.
I also dismissed the video as that of a Nazi whiner long before Legs commented on it, I'm not jumping onto anything here, you're twisting the events now. It is not an excuse, the video is a very one-sided account based on the testimony of a person of highly questionable moral standards...

Believe it or not, I wasnt actually taking about you.

For someone who always pretends to care about proof you jump onto the trust-train very fast, apparently without questioning his motives.

Which is why I included a news article to confirm that the event actually happened.

Every time? You need to prove that first before I believe it.

That would be because a) I wasnt talking to you and b) I thought you allready knew. You did notice the amount of salt produced whenever warman, total_relism, truth1337 legs and all the various short lived vistors to the backroom got on the wrong side of the mods but didnt earn a full suspension?

Just checked. "Holocaust denial" is criminal in Belgium (where I believe our servers reside), prosecutable as hate speech/incitement to hatred in Germany, France & the Netherlands. Since this covers all of the spots I believe to be where are server(s) are, our moderators are handling this quite appropriately for the organization.

Assuming that's the real reason, I'm fine with that, covering the legal bases is a lot easier to accept.

[Husar]

The taharrush gangs of cologne would not.

Terrible example because that was completely unexpected in terms of size and organization, it's a bit like saying the japanese should have built Hiroshima with nuclear bomb defense structures in mind.
The German police prevented 9 or more islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, don't tell me they're ignoring problems.
They've also been talking about other problems but people tend to ignore that in favor of budget cuts until something actually happens.
Don't tell me it's much different elsewhere or with other issue because I sort of have a list...

Which is why I included a news article to confirm that the event actually happened.

But news articles don't prove anything, we need primary sources before we can believe it.
The guy himself played the victim in the video but what else would he do? Talk about all the terrible things he did to deserve that?
I'm not even questioning that he was raided, I was saying he probably deserved it like people of your conviction thought that Saddam Hussein deserved to get shot without a trial.
The floodgates of surveillance were opened due to fear of terrorism and now people cry about the slipperyness of the slope.
I'm merely enjoying the moment and the fact he is a nazi makes it even more enjoyable.
You know, when people want freedom of speech to talk about forms of government that they praise and the ideas of which run completeley counter to freedom of speech, I cry tears of happiness when they get arrested.

That would be because a) I wasnt talking to you and b) I thought you allready knew. You did notice the amount of salt produced whenever warman, total_relism, truth1337 legs and all the various short lived vistors to the backroom got on the wrong side of the mods but didnt earn a full suspension?

I'm not familiar with salt production in fora, so I'm not entirely sure what you're saying.
My point was that you said "every time...", whereas "every time a very confrontational poster....", for example, might be more accurate.
Fragony for example seems to be immune to oversalturation.

[Legs]

He was raided by the police over nothing worse than ascribing to an ideology the state deems dengerous, if it had been a certain other ideology I'd dare say we'd never hear the end of it.

He broke the law and was arrested for it, how is that mistreatment?
Did you notice Anjem Chouidray finally got properly busted, they had raided him again and again , finally they could prove that he was breaking the law.
Did you hear anyone complain about it? Did you hear lots of people express the thought "about bloody time"

I would consider anyone who could easily spot them wouldnt need to be protected from wrong-think.

Since you couldn't spot them at all does that mean you need protection?

[Fragony]

Talk abouf a poor example, nobody knew about nuclair bombs. Sexism in muslim culture and terrugha-mobs of amateur-gaenacogists acting like hyena's, encircling, striking, is wellknown though

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Talk abouf a poor example, nobody knew about nuclair bombs. Sexism in muslim culture and terrugha-mobs of amateur-gaenacogists acting like hyena's, encircling, striking, is wellknown though

I realize that "The Queen's" is not your first language, and my knowledge of Dutch is execrable, but this was NOT your best effort at a clear post.

[Fragony]

It's pretty simple, Japan didn't know about atomic but Germany knows what they are importing

[Greyblades]

Terrible example because that was completely unexpected in terms of size and organization, it's a bit like saying the japanese should have built Hiroshima with nuclear bomb defense structures in mind.
The German police prevented 9 or more islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, don't tell me they're ignoring problems.
They've also been talking about other problems but people tend to ignore that in favor of budget cuts until something actually happens.
Don't tell me it's much different elsewhere or with other issue because I sort of have a list...

Husar my problem is not that they're preempting it as much as the difference in proportion of response: all the examples you give of muslims the police confront are high damage terror plots but when it comes to lesser matters the response developes a double standard. Producing the bizzare scenario where Nationalists are reviled en mass, dealt with such strictness that a man has his property siezed for posting provocative pictures on the internet but 2000 muslim men partake in mass molestation and rape in the streets and the german government's highest priority is to avoid a backlash against the group that produced and harbours them. It makes it seem that a Muslim must be encouraging terrorism to recieve the same scrutiny that a german nationalist gathers just by shitposting.

This drive to protect one compared to the eagerness to oppress the other being especially exhasperating when the core ideologies of both are equally rehensible, equally hostile and islam is currently much more prone to violence.

But news articles don't prove anything, we need primary sources before we can believe it.

You realy need to learn the difference between events, trends, news and opinion. Maybe then your attempts to use my arguments against me might actually work.

The guy himself played the victim in the video but what else would he do? Talk about all the terrible things he did to deserve that?

The article said the raids were "targeting people suspected of posting hate content on social media" which puts the limit of the "terrible things he did to deserve that" somewhat low and going by the recent german trend towards overreaction in that field, his claims towards innocuity become a lot more believable.