IMMIGRATION thread

[Greyblades]

What mistreatment?

He was raided by the police over nothing worse than ascribing to an ideology the state deems dengerous, if it had been a certain other ideology I'd dare say we'd never hear the end of it.

Would you not consider that perhaps some people are familiar with neo nazi ideology and the symbolism they use and that these things are very easy to spot.

I would consider anyone who could easily spot them wouldnt need to be protected from wrong-think.

The Sauerland-Gruppe and the NSU would beg to differ.

The taharrush gangs of cologne would not.

I find any material from Sauron of Akkad inflammatory, don't insult my sensibilities.
I also dismissed the video as that of a Nazi whiner long before Legs commented on it, I'm not jumping onto anything here, you're twisting the events now. It is not an excuse, the video is a very one-sided account based on the testimony of a person of highly questionable moral standards...

Believe it or not, I wasnt actually taking about you.

For someone who always pretends to care about proof you jump onto the trust-train very fast, apparently without questioning his motives.

Which is why I included a news article to confirm that the event actually happened.

Every time? You need to prove that first before I believe it.

That would be because a) I wasnt talking to you and b) I thought you allready knew. You did notice the amount of salt produced whenever warman, total_relism, truth1337 legs and all the various short lived vistors to the backroom got on the wrong side of the mods but didnt earn a full suspension?

Just checked. "Holocaust denial" is criminal in Belgium (where I believe our servers reside), prosecutable as hate speech/incitement to hatred in Germany, France & the Netherlands. Since this covers all of the spots I believe to be where are server(s) are, our moderators are handling this quite appropriately for the organization.

Assuming that's the real reason, I'm fine with that, covering the legal bases is a lot easier to accept.

[Husar]

The taharrush gangs of cologne would not.

Terrible example because that was completely unexpected in terms of size and organization, it's a bit like saying the japanese should have built Hiroshima with nuclear bomb defense structures in mind.
The German police prevented 9 or more islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, don't tell me they're ignoring problems.
They've also been talking about other problems but people tend to ignore that in favor of budget cuts until something actually happens.
Don't tell me it's much different elsewhere or with other issue because I sort of have a list...

Which is why I included a news article to confirm that the event actually happened.

But news articles don't prove anything, we need primary sources before we can believe it.
The guy himself played the victim in the video but what else would he do? Talk about all the terrible things he did to deserve that?
I'm not even questioning that he was raided, I was saying he probably deserved it like people of your conviction thought that Saddam Hussein deserved to get shot without a trial.
The floodgates of surveillance were opened due to fear of terrorism and now people cry about the slipperyness of the slope.
I'm merely enjoying the moment and the fact he is a nazi makes it even more enjoyable.
You know, when people want freedom of speech to talk about forms of government that they praise and the ideas of which run completeley counter to freedom of speech, I cry tears of happiness when they get arrested.

That would be because a) I wasnt talking to you and b) I thought you allready knew. You did notice the amount of salt produced whenever warman, total_relism, truth1337 legs and all the various short lived vistors to the backroom got on the wrong side of the mods but didnt earn a full suspension?

I'm not familiar with salt production in fora, so I'm not entirely sure what you're saying.
My point was that you said "every time...", whereas "every time a very confrontational poster....", for example, might be more accurate.
Fragony for example seems to be immune to oversalturation.

[Legs]

He was raided by the police over nothing worse than ascribing to an ideology the state deems dengerous, if it had been a certain other ideology I'd dare say we'd never hear the end of it.

He broke the law and was arrested for it, how is that mistreatment?
Did you notice Anjem Chouidray finally got properly busted, they had raided him again and again , finally they could prove that he was breaking the law.
Did you hear anyone complain about it? Did you hear lots of people express the thought "about bloody time"

I would consider anyone who could easily spot them wouldnt need to be protected from wrong-think.

Since you couldn't spot them at all does that mean you need protection?

[Fragony]

Talk abouf a poor example, nobody knew about nuclair bombs. Sexism in muslim culture and terrugha-mobs of amateur-gaenacogists acting like hyena's, encircling, striking, is wellknown though

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Talk abouf a poor example, nobody knew about nuclair bombs. Sexism in muslim culture and terrugha-mobs of amateur-gaenacogists acting like hyena's, encircling, striking, is wellknown though

I realize that "The Queen's" is not your first language, and my knowledge of Dutch is execrable, but this was NOT your best effort at a clear post.

[Fragony]

It's pretty simple, Japan didn't know about atomic but Germany knows what they are importing

[Greyblades]

Terrible example because that was completely unexpected in terms of size and organization, it's a bit like saying the japanese should have built Hiroshima with nuclear bomb defense structures in mind.
The German police prevented 9 or more islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, don't tell me they're ignoring problems.
They've also been talking about other problems but people tend to ignore that in favor of budget cuts until something actually happens.
Don't tell me it's much different elsewhere or with other issue because I sort of have a list...

Husar my problem is not that they're preempting it as much as the difference in proportion of response: all the examples you give of muslims the police confront are high damage terror plots but when it comes to lesser matters the response developes a double standard. Producing the bizzare scenario where Nationalists are reviled en mass, dealt with such strictness that a man has his property siezed for posting provocative pictures on the internet but 2000 muslim men partake in mass molestation and rape in the streets and the german government's highest priority is to avoid a backlash against the group that produced and harbours them. It makes it seem that a Muslim must be encouraging terrorism to recieve the same scrutiny that a german nationalist gathers just by shitposting.

This drive to protect one compared to the eagerness to oppress the other being especially exhasperating when the core ideologies of both are equally rehensible, equally hostile and islam is currently much more prone to violence.

But news articles don't prove anything, we need primary sources before we can believe it.

You realy need to learn the difference between events, trends, news and opinion. Maybe then your attempts to use my arguments against me might actually work.

The guy himself played the victim in the video but what else would he do? Talk about all the terrible things he did to deserve that?

The article said the raids were "targeting people suspected of posting hate content on social media" which puts the limit of the "terrible things he did to deserve that" somewhat low and going by the recent german trend towards overreaction in that field, his claims towards innocuity become a lot more believable.

[Legs]

Producing the bizzare scenario where Nationalists are reviled en mass, dealt with such strictness that a man has his property siezed for posting provocative pictures on the internet

What is bizzare about siezing evidence?

It makes it seem that a Muslim must be encouraging terrorism to recieve the same scrutiny that a german nationalist gathers just by shitposting.

How many of them have now been arrested? didn't the germans even track people to other countries to arrest them for the new years eve crimes.

The article said the raids were "targeting people suspected of posting hate content on social media" which puts the limit of the "terrible things he did to deserve that" somewhat low and going by the recent german trend towards overreaction in that field, his claims towards innocuity become a lot more believable.

Jesus wept the German authorities upped their level of monitoring of these Greater Deutchland groups after death threats had been posted. The annual report from the defenders of the constitution on their monitoring runs to about 70 pages on far right threats, it has about 70 pages on the extreme left, it has about 80 on Islamists and 50 pages on other external groups present in Germany
Why are you defending that neo nazi scumbag?

[Sarmatian]

2000 muslim men partake in mass molestation and rape in the streets

I thought it would've grown to 10000 and virgin sacrifices by now. You can't even depend on internet fascists any more, what is the world coming to...