The night of the short knives

[Brenus]

Or Marine Le Pen excluding from the party he created her father Jean Marie Le Pen with the help of her lover.

You have to like it. Better than in a movie.

The good things in extreme-right/Nazi/fascist parties they all want to be Fuhrer instead of the Fuhrer. Loviiing it....

[Gilrandir]

The good things in extreme-right/Nazi/fascist parties they all want to be Fuhrer instead of the Fuhrer. Loviiing it....

It can happen to all, nazis are not an exception:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_I...#Assassination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin#Murder

And more modern cases (without murders):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Removal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhai...of_August_1991

One doesn't have to be a nazi to aspire for more power.

[Fragony]

Le Pen is trash. While I in general agree with the Front National it would be better if they just cease to exist and start all over again, there is a lot more scum they must get rid of if they want to be a decent rightwing party. Start anew and make it very clear for the radical-right that they aren't represented.

[Gilrandir]

Le Pen is trash. While I in general agree with the Front National it would be better if they just cease to exist and start all over again, there is a lot more scum they must get rid of if they want to be a decent rightwing party. Start anew and make it very clear for the radical-right that they aren't represented.

I don't argue on the political nature of the party (and the persons) in question. But it is stupid to say something like: "See, they try to vie for power - well, they are nazis anyway, and that explains everything".

[Fragony]

I don't argue on the political nature of the party (and the persons) in question. But it is stupid to say something like: "See, they try to vie for power - well, they are nazis anyway, and that explains everything".

True that, it's not fair. I am pretty righrwing myself and I just don't take it seriously anymore.
If you happen to have a point by all means share it. Or shut up untill you come up with something better.

[Strike For The South]

Will the French stand their culture being stamped out?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Or Marine Le Pen excluding from the party he created her father Jean Marie Le Pen with the help of her lover.

You have to like it. Better than in a movie.

The good things in extreme-right/Nazi/fascist parties they all want to be Fuhrer instead of the Fuhrer. Loviiing it....

More like Goering kicking out Hitler to make the NAZI party respectable and electable...

[Fragony]

I don't argue on the political nature of the party (and the persons) in question. But it is stupid to say something like: "See, they try to vie for power - well, they are nazis anyway, and that explains everything".

A lot are, the Front National is far from cleaned from radicals. That is a pity really as they have the best ideas.

[Brenus]

Not in lot of Parties that a daughter kicked out her father... Which by the way, means the party is in fact a Family business...

When the father Jean Marie, was quite happy to be in a perpetual opposition Marine Le Pen wants power.
The problem she has, is the Front National is a confederation of small parties, going from Nazi/Ultra-nationalists, Catholic anti-republican movements, anti-Muslim and all kind of lunatics, and others bunch who are more traditionalist ultra-right/monarchists movement, Nationalists/Fascist etc.
She is a skilled politician, pillaging without shame from the left to right some ideas, and have an anti-immigration stance which appeal to the ones fired and made unemployed by the successive French Governments, all of them bowing to Merkel and EU austerity plans.
But she wants to get rid of the fringe which give her a bad name. She want to hind the roots of the Front National, and claim they have nothing to do with what this party stand for.
A little bit like Muslim Clerics pretending that ISIL as nothing to do with the Koran.
If she succeed, she will be able to siphon the votes of the more moderate rightists who became under Sarkozy's leadership more rightist, nationalist and well, racist, because it became acceptable.
So we will have a fight between a now more "acceptable" Front National" and a more classic rightist movement that Sarkozy wants as the US Republican Party, ignoring the fact that France is not the USA.
On the left side, people won't go to vote. The actual President allegedly socialist having a more rightist politic than the right won't be able to gather the leftist vote. I wish to be wrong, but the candidate I support won't be able to fight against the power of media, first layer of protection of the system, media actively engages in showing Marine Le Pen as the sole opposition.
In doing so, they hope to have a final round Le Pen vs who ever from the system, then play the card all vs-fascism as they did before. Marine Le Pen tries to avoid this, and kicking out her father (come-on, she is killing her father...) will/might help.

[Gilrandir]

Not in lot of Parties that a daughter kicked out her father... Which by the way, means the party is in fact a Family business...

When the father Jean Marie, was quite happy to be in a perpetual opposition Marine Le Pen wants power.
The problem she has, is the Front National is a confederation of small parties, going from Nazi/Ultra-nationalists, Catholic anti-republican movements, anti-Muslim and all kind of lunatics, and others bunch who are more traditionalist ultra-right/monarchists movement, Nationalists/Fascist etc.
She is a skilled politician, pillaging without shame from the left to right some ideas, and have an anti-immigration stance which appeal to the ones fired and made unemployed by the successive French Governments, all of them bowing to Merkel and EU austerity plans.
But she wants to get rid of the fringe which give her a bad name. She want to hind the roots of the Front National, and claim they have nothing to do with what this party stand for.
A little bit like Muslim Clerics pretending that ISIL as nothing to do with the Koran.
If she succeed, she will be able to siphon the votes of the more moderate rightists who became under Sarkozy's leadership more rightist, nationalist and well, racist, because it became acceptable.
So we will have a fight between a now more "acceptable" Front National" and a more classic rightist movement that Sarkozy wants as the US Republican Party, ignoring the fact that France is not the USA.
On the left side, people won't go to vote. The actual President allegedly socialist having a more rightist politic than the right won't be able to gather the leftist vote. I wish to be wrong, but the candidate I support won't be able to fight against the power of media, first layer of protection of the system, media actively engages in showing Marine Le Pen as the sole opposition.
In doing so, they hope to have a final round Le Pen vs who ever from the system, then play the card all vs-fascism as they did before. Marine Le Pen tries to avoid this, and kicking out her father (come-on, she is killing her father...) will/might help.

And all this is special of Nazis only?

[Brenus]

"And all this is special of Nazis only?" Errrr, yeah? What happened? You don't like attack on Nazi?

[Montmorency]

"And all this is special of Nazis only?" Errrr, yeah?

You're forgetting the story of how Angela Merkel usurped Helmut Kohl.

“I brought my killer,” Kohl said. “I put the snake on my arm.”

[Brenus]

Didn't know Kohl was Merkel's father...

[Gilrandir]

"And all this is special of Nazis only?" Errrr, yeah? What happened?

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Tywin_Lannister, where:

After the death of his grandson, King Joffrey, during his wedding to Margaery Tyrell, Tywin led the trial against his son, Tyrion, who was accused of the deed. When Tyrion lost his trial by combat, Tywin sentenced his son to death. Tyrion escaped and, in revenge, killed his father as he sat on the privy.

So, following your logics, Tyrion Lannister was a nazi. Everyone who schemes against his father is a nazi?

You don't like attack on Nazi?

I knew you would sooner or later say it.
So you think I like the party that supports everything Putin does to Ukraine and is financed by him?

Your hatred of nazis clouds your wits and you see a nazi in everyone who doesn't share your point of view expressed in any sentence containing the N-word.

What would you say if I posted this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1pIcQfkWHU
and then commented that those Russians are wild uncivilized and greedy people who will stick at nothing to get something for free, even if they are fed from shovels like animals in the zoo and the other nations are to treat them no better than that?

You would rightly argue that such behavior has nothing to do with nationality, it might be seen in other poor or even in more "civilized" countries.

My reaction to your statement "she deposed her father because she is a nazi" was similar: you don't have to be a nazi to do foul things to your family. Or, alternatively, doing foul things to your family doesn't make you a nazi.

[Brenus]

"So, following your logics, Tyrion Lannister was a nazi. Everyone who schemes against his father is a nazi?" Fiction and real world... Interesting...

[Gilrandir]

"So, following your logics, Tyrion Lannister was a nazi. Everyone who schemes against his father is a nazi?" Fiction and real world... Interesting...

There are plenty of similar examples from the real world, both in the past (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cather...t_of_July_1762) and in the present (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-1588698.html).
Does it make the usurpers nazis?

[Brenus]

No, that makes them dictatorships.
And Political labels are like the laws: It can't be retroactive...

[Gilrandir]

No, that makes them dictatorships.
And Political labels are like the laws: It can't be retroactive...

I see. So you just add up to the list of "how to know a nazi" tips:
1. Nazis hate the jews.
2. Nazis wear scary insignia.
3. Nazis march with torches.
4. Nazis kill people en masse.
5. Nazis celebrate Hiter's birthday.
6.......
7.......
8.....
.....
And now introducing the brand new one...
293. Nazis are nasty to their family.

I guess next comes what Sarmatian presaged once: they kick puppies and snatch lollipops from children in the sandboxes.

Just don't forget that Marxism adepts are guilty of no fewer sins.