Thanks US marines!

[Husar]

With all due respect Brenus (and your replies garner little)

[Montmorency]

It still stands that there were many more French than Americans and the percentage of Americans who responded to the percentage of French who responded speaks hugely about the culture of the two countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_car

[Brenus]

"Frances entire history in the last 100 years backs this point up even more." 1,600,000 killed during WW1 to defend the country.

And I agree. I shouldn't mention the fact I have experience in war.

The fact your entire argument is stupid and has absolutely no grounds is largely enough.

[Kadagar_AV]

Brenus, I AM aware that most people run.

That however doesn't mean I would, nor do I think it's logical, nor will it stop me from seeing them as cattle.


Still doesn't explain why the train personnel locked themselves into a room without doing **** to help though. You don't need to be a hero to do that, doing your job would have been sufficient.



EDIT: Note that I nowhere trashed "The French"... Don't mistake me for Vuk.

Also, the way you quote still sucks... Can it be THAT hard to use the "quote function". It was like you were attacking me AND Vuk and it was for a newcomer impossible to understand who said what.

Feel free to attack my arguments, but don't mistake them for other people's...

[Montmorency]

Still doesn't explain why the train personnel locked themselves into a room without doing **** to help though. You don't need to be a hero to do that, doing your job would have been sufficient.

Probably, fighting off armed attackers isn't in their job description. In all likelihood their procedure in such events was followed to the letter here.

Police officers, on the other hand...

According to some reports,[7] Gelman started banging on the door of a motorman's cab, demanding to be let in, at which point two police officers assigned to the manhunt arrived and subdued him after a struggle with Lozito's help. However, other accounts[10][11] stated that Lozito engaged in a physical confrontation that subdued Gelman, while officers Terrance Howell and Tamara Taylor hid in the motorman's cab, and did not come out until Lozito had disarmed Gelman and pinned him on the ground.[7][10]

[...]

In the spring of 2012, Joseph Lozito, who was brutally stabbed and "grievously wounded, deeply slashed around the head and neck", sued police for negligence in failing to render assistance to him as he was being attacked by Gelman.[19][20][21] Lozito told reporters that he decided to file the lawsuit after learning from "a grand-jury member" that NYPD officer Terrance Howell testified that he hid from Gelman before and while Lozito was being attacked because Howell thought Gelman had a gun.[22][23] In response to the suit, attorneys for the City of New York argued that police had no duty to protect Lozito or any other person from Gelman.[22] On July 25, 2013, Judge Margaret Chan dismissed Lozito's suit; stating while sympathetic to the Lozito's account and not doubting his testimony, agreed that police had "no special duty" to protect Lozito.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim...stabbing_spree

Let's be honest here, when someone attacks civilian targets in a crowded public space, it will just as likely be private citizens who have to subdue them than either government agents or commercial security personnel. It's cheaper to offload the actual burden on the civilians - it's why the whole War on Terror has spent so many billions on guarding against non-existent threats; that way the contracts keep flowing, everyone gets paid, and no worries...

[Kadagar_AV]

Probably, fighting off armed attackers isn't in their job description. In all likelihood their procedure in such events was followed to the letter here.

IIRC That train have wagons with "compartments" as well, not just open ones...

They could have used their master key, locked the doors, and told people to shut the curtains and take shelter?

They could at least have given a damn "heads up" as they ran?

They could have tried to at least get like ONE passenger into the locked room with them?


I wouldn't ask of a, say, poor 56 year old woman having a low wage job, to turn into superman... But GEEZ!!

[rory_20_uk]

They were french. To overcome adversity in France again requires the Americans and the English.

[Hooahguy]

Well sheer panic tends to cloud judgement and all rational thinking for most people I imagine in situations like this. I havent been in this situation so personally I won't judge.