To Hijab or not to Hijab

[AE Bravo]

People still believe that the burka is a "tenet of the faith?" Sounds to me like Saudi Arabia Islam has a monopoly over Islamic discourse in the UK and France, and that's what it is really. I don't understand why this bothers the west so much, even now. Out of all the things that undermine (western) civilization, this is certainly not one of them. If anything, centuries of social discipline and modest practices are being undermined. All these headscarf fashion statements were revived by Muslim women feminist movements, she was practicing her agency by wearing it as a middle finger to liberal pan-Arab communists and westerners.

Silence the preachers and the only ones wearing headscarves in non-Muslim states will be the feminists. How exactly is it against the constitution and basic human rights? No common sense, just more hypocrisy.

[Brenus]

"How exactly is it against the constitution and basic human rights? No common sense, just more hypocrisy." Quite easy. Constitution says all human beings are born and stay equal under the law. No discrimination will be done under race, sex and social origin. So, when a organisation, religious or not, is preaching female are not equal, they brake the law. When an organisation say to kill the gay, it is a call to murder, it is illegal, so it should be prosecuted. When a organisation is preaching that some human are superior to others, and the others should be either kill or enslave, this is against the Constitution and human rights.
Illegal organisation don't have right to recruit and to try to spread illegal behavior. Mafiosi can't advertise, can they?
So what is the hypocrisy? To pretend that to walk in a portable jail is a choice, or it is imposed by misogynistic culture? Or to pretend that they freely do the choice? Because funny enough, still waiting the massive exodus of the oppressed Muslim fleeing France after the law was adopted. And, France being the most Muslin populated country in Europe (in you don't include the entire Turkey within Europe), it looks like the Muslim quite appreciate to be protected against their extremists.
You can pretend they are dislike the law, the fact is they don't.

"Muslim women feminist movements" Contradiction in terms. The female voice in Al Quaida or talibans (or Sauddi Arabia, Qatar and others United Emirates) is nearly zero.
What is true in what you wrote is the movement of headscarf was against the tyrants supported by the foreign powers.
However, I wouldn't qualify the Shah of Iran as "liberal pan-Arab communists and westerners", for him not to be an Arab, nor a liberal or communist.

[Montmorency]

Funny enough, I once came across a headscarf-wearing woman who identified as "queer", "feminist", and Catholic. I asked her if she wore the headscarf as part of her queer identity, but she said that she simply obeyed the Biblical dictum that "all women have their heads covered". Now, this wasn't even as part of the Catholic policy on head coverings during church rites, but as a general practice in all settings for her.

And then there is of course the circus of Haredi (i.e. Jewish Ultra-Orthodox) feminism...

Sometimes, convoluted dissonance and grotesque sanctimony just go hand-in-hand.

[AE Bravo]

I am not defending whatever you perceive to be the organization of Islam in your home country, but the scarf has nothing to do with the abuses you bring up. You claim that it is an Islamic tenet, but this is incorrect and in reality it was only established in religious disciplines dating back to 300 years ago at the most - in neglected societies (Jerusalem, Egypt) under Ottoman rule. It's a relatively modern development of the dress code and you can see Iranian society saw through the bs with how many of their women dress today. This entire Islamic train of thought was founded by Abd Al Wahhab, in a place that is not and has never been the center of Islamic research (like Damascus, Baghdad, Persia, Egypt). You're probably tired of hearing this but all the backwards Muslims in your side of the world are a product of Salafist doctrines hardly representative of the religion, it is an extension of Islam no matter how much they claim to be an emulation of old Muslims of the Hijaz.

AQ, Taliban, Saudi Arabia are also a product of that. It is no secret that the matriarch of Qatar's Al Thani family has acted as a head of state on more than one occasion during the tenure of the previous emir, she also wears her scarf like a Persian or north African women so what does that tell you about the reality of an Arab-Islamic regime? Legitimacy of royals in the Gulf rests on the treatment of women, and that legitimacy is highly dependent on the authenticity of Saudi Arabia's Salafi movement.

You are wrong especially about the United Arab Emirates, because in exchange for its backing of Saudi Arabia in pretty much everything and the submission of territory about a decade ago, they have been able to ignore judgements from Salafi clergy. Here are positions held by women who appear on media regularly:

Minister of Foreign Trade
CEOs of a number of companies in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, too many to name
Minister of State
FNC (federal national council) members

Not to mention the journalists and actresses that are driving the longbeards in Saudi Arabia mad.

I meant pan-Arabists mainly in Egypt and Syria, they were liberal by middle east standards. Headscarves were viewed as an outrage in the 60s, the reaction by Arab regimes and education institutions on many occasions rivaled the west's reaction to it.

@Montmorency
Who cares if she's a fool? Let her subscribe to as many things as she wants. Maybe we should slap vegans too.

[Greyblades]

I'm always happy to get in on a good vegan slapping.

BTW Who the heck cares about the head scarf? It's the face veil and the full on burka that people get unnerved at.

[Brenus]

"You claim that it is an Islamic tenet" Not my claim, their claim. When a school forbids a headscarf, Imams claim it is islamophobia. Islam-ophobia, not whahabismophobia, or fashionophobia.
And who do you think finances the Mosque and the Muslim Clergy in France? Saudis', Quataris' and others do. They pay preachers of their interpretation f the Koran, and they preach that women are lesser than man, can't walk without a male from their family, shouldn't drive or work etc. Not my clam, their claim.
And the French Government do nothing because, errrr, oil. And there are allies against the monster these countries created with our help and ours eyes looking somewhere else.

"Minister of Foreign Trade
CEOs of a number of companies in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, too many to name
Minister of State
FNC (federal national council) members" Token parts. What the place of women in theses societies: Zero. Can they vote: No.
I saw an interview of a Iranian Woman who has a official post in the Iranian Government. But in Iranian justice system you need 3 women to counterbalance 1 man. In case of rape, that can be difficult.

I still don't see why to prosecute preachers making speeches against human rights, calling for murders and discrimination, promoting violence and illegal activities is not done, under the pretext it is done by religions.