egalitarianism

[Kadagar_AV]

I so often meet left leaning people with arguments like: "Because you were lucky to be borne there" or "Because you happened to be borne that way".

Honestly speaking, I do not understand this argument.



Do they have some image of souls floating around, then someone gets borne, and they roll a dice to see what soul will inherit the body? And then it's just happenstance where they end up?




In MY world, we are a direct offspring of our mother and our father. I wasn't lucky to be borne as me, I am a direct result of the genetical inheritance of the 2 people who created me.

I am not "lucky" to have been borne where I am, I have had generations of people doing their damned best to create the best possible outcome for their children, thus building a functional state.


Is this perspective out of view? I have never, ever, understood the "luck" factor in it all... It's not like my dad accidently stumbled and fell into my mother while the souls up in heaven rolled dice as to who would take the body.

[Montmorency]

Yes, of course you are the epitome of the Universe. We know.

[Kadagar_AV]

Yes, of course you are the epitome of the Universe. We know.

Yes, THAT was the point of the thread. Now we solved it for YOU, let's get others to discuss it shall we.

[Beskar]

Well, many beliefs do see it as souls floating around to inherit bodies, randomly taking the new one in line (in some beliefs, this includes animals/all life).

The luck factor is basically that you didn't choose to be born and raised in Sweden for example, so if someone else didn't have the same equal opportunity as you due to the social-cultural conditions, it doesn't make them 'less human' than you, and if the 'souls' were reversed, you would possibly turn out very similar to them.

But ultimately, soul or not, it is about promoting greater equal opportunities across the world, giving everyone a fair and good start in life, and that working together, we could give someone less fortunate due to the vagina they popped out of, a similar good experience to you growing up.

[Kadagar_AV]

Well, many beliefs do see it as souls floating around to inherit bodies, randomly taking the new one in line (in some beliefs, this includes animals/all life).

The luck factor is basically that you didn't choose to be born and raised in Sweden for example, so if someone else didn't have the same equal opportunity as you due to the social-cultural conditions, it doesn't make them 'less human' than you, and if the 'souls' were reversed, you would possibly turn out very similar to them.

But ultimately, soul or not, it is about promoting greater equal opportunities across the world, giving everyone a fair and good start in life, and that working together, we could give someone less fortunate due to the vagina they popped out of, a similar good experience to you growing up.

Absolutely, I agree.


However, before we start to think of how we can bind nations together, we need to ABSOLUTELY VEHEMENTLY argue against the failed chain of taught that we are all equal, because we are not.

We should all be respected, sure, that is why I am vegetarian... But respected and equal is not the same thing.

Black people right now are NOT equal on the work market in Sweden, as an example.

So the more the "good" people claim we are all equal, the more we will see racial riots.


HELLO, what is it that we see all over right now?




I say blacks are problematic to integrate to my society because THEY ARE PROBLEMATIC TO INTEGRATE INTO MY SOCIETY.


I don't hate them, I don't wish them any ill... By all means, if I can I will help.

But let's skip the post WWII trauma where every observance of cultural or genetical difference is = BLOODY RACISM, shall we?




If for no other reason to create a better world, based on facts, not ideologies.

[Montmorency]

Hey, it's not your society. You can pack your bags along with the migrants.

[CrossLOPER]

understood the "luck" factor in it all

Try explaining this concept to an ISIS sex slave.

[Myth]

Societies where people strive to work hard and excell do better. Examples: Japan, Germany, Scandinavia. Societies where people are lazy and try to skimp on work do worse. Examples: African countries, Southern Italy, Spain, Greece, Bulgaria.

It's our own damn fault for not arbeiten-ing more.

But I didn't choose to be born with an average height and build. I'm jealous of Kad's glorious viking genes, for real. And unlike other modern trending folks, I'll not shout my throat off at women because they're "discriminating me" if they don't choose to immediately jump into bed with me if there's a 185 cm blond haired, muscled dude next to me on the bar. It is what it is.

[Papewaio]

Surely some of that cultural wealth was inherited from the Vikings...

[Fragony]

Give it up Kads, you can't reason with someone who has made up it's mind, the outcome of an equation will never be at stake as the sum will just be altered to get the same results. There is no intellectual integrity to be found in issues that are playing with toes too much.

[AE Bravo]

You mean stepping on toes.

I like that kadagar is openly racist though, assuming he conducts himself the same way in real life. It's better that we are all clear about who carries this, let yourselves be known.

[Gilrandir]

Well, many beliefs do see it as souls floating around to inherit bodies, randomly taking the new one in line (in some beliefs, this includes animals/all life).

There is a theory that the choice of bodies is not random. Souls are distributed their bodily shapes with some purpose - mostly to atone for what they have done in their previous life or to learn something which they failed to learn back then.

Societies where people strive to work hard and excell do better. Examples: Japan, Germany, Scandinavia. Societies where people are lazy and try to skimp on work do worse. Examples: African countries, Southern Italy, Spain, Greece, Bulgaria.

It's our own damn fault for not arbeiten-ing more.

Doesn't always work that way. Ukrainians have always been hard workers, and they still are. Many work abroad doing underpaid menial jobs to support their family in Ukraine. In spite of this Ukraine is doing much worse than Spain or Italy, even Southern.

[Montmorency]

It isn't about "hard" or "smart" work, but geography and the state of international technology and economy.

4000 years ago, 2000 years ago, and yes, even today.

[Hooahguy]

Doesn't always work that way. Ukrainians have always been hard workers, and they still are. Many work abroad doing underpaid menial jobs to support their family in Ukraine. In spite of this Ukraine is doing much worse than Spain or Italy, even Southern.

It isn't about "hard" or "smart" work, but geography and the state of international technology and economy.

4000 years ago, 2000 years ago, and yes, even today.

I think its kinda both. On one hand societies that thrive do so through their own hard work but also with some luck. The Ukrainians for example have the misfortune of being hit over the head numerous times throughout history, so its the sad truth that they historically havent done too well. Same with the Polish, who are just now emerging as a new regional power on their own, but still need the assistance of the EU to really develop. I imagine that one day they will be a very big player on the world stage. Maybe not as much as Germany but perhaps larger than some others that one would usually think of when they think of regional powers.

But on the other hand, some societies dont do so well all the time even when handed everything. Not saying that the French are inherently lazy, but Ive read in a number of accounts from soldiers in WW2 that the Germans would move to clean up the rubble immediately after the fighting ended whereas the French still had rubble lying around from D-Day many months after France was liberated. Maybe this was a temporary thing, borne out of the crippling war. Maybe they were just down on their luck. Who knows really.