Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[landlubber]

Zack, you seem well-intentioned, so let me just say: if you're town, you're not finding scum. I don't think Lissa's scum, and I know I'm not. This hyper-management direction of everyone's night actions is exactly why people mutinied against Kage. If you take your position as a leader of the town seriously, you should listen when people object to these orders and pick better targets. Don't think I'm trying to get out of a vig, because I'm jumping ship.

Personally, it seems to me like you're a maf trying to earn good faith with the town with these *gasp* uber-important vigkills on players who must totally be scum even though I'm jumping ship and Lissa's in the brig. If I were to bet on it, I'd guess that the vig on me is going to fail. There's dissent, and throwing your weight around isn't working as well as you think it is. Even still, I'm not going to cancel my order to jump ship, because I really don't think I'll ever get out of the spotlight after this. It's best if I leave now and save the town all the trouble.

Town: Don't go along with orders you don't believe in. You don't owe Zack your loyalty, and you are completely wasting your time by targeting me and Lissa. This arrangement is a perfect storm for the scum-- they've got 10 townies working for them to vig 2 players (both townies if I'm reading Lissa rightly) who are going to be incapacitated tonight anyway. This plan is not a townie plan. Find a better way to spend your time than following these senseless orders.

[landlubber]

Re-reading that post, I realize that some of it sounds a little self-contradicting, so let me just stress my point:

Zack could be town. He could also be mafia. I don't have a very strong lean in either direction.

But, if I were a mafia trying my absolute hardest to distract the town from vigging French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design. There is no reason for you all to follow these orders.

[Zack]

* yawn *

[Zack]

@landlubber This is so ridiculous I really shouldn't even dignify it with a response, but whatever. I'll humor you.

Zack, you seem well-intentioned, so let me just say: if you're town, you're not finding scum. I don't think Lissa's scum, and I know I'm not.

Why don't you think Lissa's scum? You don't think I'm scumhunting because you disagree with reads?

This hyper-management direction of everyone's night actions is exactly why people mutinied against Kage.

First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.

If you take your position as a leader of the town seriously,

Leader of the town, me? What the hell are you talking about? I have not ever presented myself as such, and this is the first night I've even tried to organize something myself. For the most part, I've let others tell me who to kill and who to do it with.

you should listen when people object to these orders and pick better targets.

What better targets? Out of everyone I asked to participate, one person objected on nebulous grounds, which is NOT reason to pick a whole new target, no matter how much you agree with them.

Don't think I'm trying to get out of a vig, because I'm jumping ship.

Claiming to, at least.

Personally, it seems to me like you're a maf trying to earn good faith with the town with these *gasp* uber-important vigkills on players who must totally be scum even though I'm jumping ship and Lissa's in the brig.

You claiming to jump ship and Lissa being thrown in the brig are not indicative of alignment at all. I don't understand your first point. Is everyone who's been organizing the vigkills up until this point scum too? Convenient how you only make that assertion when you're one of the targets, you were fine with it when you in on the action.

If I were to bet on it, I'd guess that the vig on me is going to fail. There's dissent, and throwing your weight around isn't working as well as you think it is. Even still, I'm not going to cancel my order to jump ship, because I really don't think I'll ever get out of the spotlight after this. It's best if I leave now and save the town all the trouble.

How noble of you.

Town: Don't go along with orders you don't believe in. You don't owe Zack your loyalty

Oh please, stop trying to pass off your attempts to save yourself as some great moral stand.

you are completely wasting your time by targeting me and Lissa.

Killing scum is a waste of time?

This arrangement is a perfect storm for the scum-- they've got 10 townies working for them to vig 2 players (both townies if I'm reading Lissa rightly) who are going to be incapacitated tonight anyway.

How does that even benefit or make sense for me as French?

This plan is not a townie plan.

Why, because you're a target?

Find a better way to spend your time than following these senseless orders.

"DON'T KILL ME!!!"

Re-reading that post, I realize that some of it sounds a little self-contradicting, so let me just stress my point:

Zack could be town. He could also be mafia. I don't have a very strong lean in either direction.

Oh my god, this hedging is absurd and not town at all. After your last post you're going to spout this obvious bullshit? Please.

But, if I were a mafia trying my absolute hardest to distract the town from vigging French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design. There is no reason for you all to follow these orders.

If I was a townie trying my absolute hardest to vig French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design because it's in bold italics.

[landlubber]

Why don't you think Lissa's scum? You don't think I'm scumhunting because you disagree with reads?

Just my read on her play. She's had a lot of attention, but she's handled it very well.

First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.

I don't agree. If anything, you're more forceful than Kage was. Yeah, you picked targets that you yourself suggested, but you assigned people to those targets who've said they don't agree with them, and you've made very clear that you would be angry if those orders weren't followed.

Leader of the town, me? What the hell are you talking about? I have not ever presented myself as such, and this is the first night I've even tried to organize something myself. For the most part, I've let others tell me who to kill and who to do it with.

My wording was poor here, sure. Calling you a coordinator works.

What better targets? Out of everyone I asked to participate, one person objected on nebulous grounds, which is NOT reason to pick a whole new target, no matter how much you agree with them.

More than one person disagrees.

Claiming to, at least.

I wonder how you'll retort when you realize that I am town, I already sent in orders to jump ship, and I'm not trying to save myself here. I'm not anti-town. I'm posting this for your benefit, not mine. Pick better targets next time if you want to kill French.

You claiming to jump ship and Lissa being thrown in the brig are not indicative of alignment at all. I don't understand your first point. Is everyone who's been organizing the vigkills up until this point scum too? Convenient how you only make that assertion when you're one of the targets, you were fine with it when you in on the action.

No, me jumping ship isn't (immediately) indicative of alignment and Lissa being thrown in the brig isn't, but you're directing people to spend their time on two kills that do not need to happen. I'm gone after this night, and Lissa is incapacitated. It's poor judgement to waste ten people on those targets.

How noble of you.

I'm not trying to be noble, I'm trying to get you to move on so you can, you know, actually start hitting French.

Oh please, stop trying to pass off your attempts to save yourself as some great moral stand.

Again, I'm jumping ship. I'm trying to get the town to focus on scumhunting again. There's no saving myself, and morality has nothing to do with it. Morality is subjective. You're objectively in the wrong by vigging me, because I'm not French.

Killing scum is a waste of time?

Nope. If only that were what was happening tonight.

How does that even benefit or make sense for me as French?

You've got half the town on townie targets instead of French ones. Sounds French to me.

Why, because you're a target?

Because it's counterproductive.

"DON'T KILL ME!!!"

I can't wait for your perspective to shatter when you realize that I'm not desperate to save myself.

Oh my god, this hedging is absurd and not town at all. After your last post you're going to spout this obvious bullshit? Please.

Not bullshit, clarification.

Responses in bold.

[El Barto]

Be ye leavin' the ship as ye claimed in the QT or no', mon? Ye be makin' an awful lot of a racket fer someone wha could simply be already halfway to the horizon in this balmy night, laddie.

[landlubber]

Be ye leavin' the ship as ye claimed in the QT or no', mon? Ye be makin' an awful lot of a racket fer someone wha could simply be already halfway to the horizon in this balmy night, laddie.

Yep, I immediately sent in orders to leave and never changed them. I'm still posting because we've done a disastrous job with our scumhunting so far. My vig is an example. I want the town to win, and I know my vig doesn't bring us any closer to that goal.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 4

As the Presence continued its northward sail to Nassau, some sailors were more optimistic than others about the course it was taking. It was as they all feared: the ship was tearing itself apart from within.


landlubber knew it was time to get off this boat. When one of the other crewmen, an influential one at that, makes an open declaration about his intent of killing you and actively recruits volunteers to aid him in this cause, it's usually time to abandon ship. It may have been a bluff, but landlubber didn't think so. In any case, he certainly wasn't about to find out.

The question was, how to play this? He had two choices: Fast, or sneaky. Being sneaky might give him a little more breathing room, but then again it could also cost him valuable time when trying to escape if people *were* coming for him. On the other hand, going fast would get him to safety sooner, but it also might force his attackers' hands... assuming they ever came in the first place.

What to do, what to do? Landlubber started sweating bullets, acquiring a large case of tunnel vision in the process. His entire world now boiled down to himself and his bag of worldly possessions, most notably his share of the loot from New Tortuga. Had lubber been slightly more aware, he may have realized that there were a few conspicuous absences from the crew quarters below deck.

It was time - there was no more sense in sweating and pulling it off. He'd had a fun ride, but now it was time to extend his lifespan. lubber grabbed his bag, and bolted upstairs. He chose "fast" over "sneaky", barreling through all obstacles without so much as a "sorry!" spared for people he ran into. He headed straight for the lifeboats (already with one absence)... and ran straight into an obstacle that didn't budge.

Five sailors, cutlasses out, greeted him with bared teeth, blocking his path to freedom. "A bit o' advice, lubber," one of them said, "ye may thought it was foolish of us to announce our intent in killin' you, but 'twas twicesame on your part to announce *your* intent in leavin' tonight. All we had to do was set up shop early and wait for you to come to us."

lubber desperately tried to run around them and reach the lifeboat, but he never made it. His final moments consisted of him bleeding out on the decks of the Presence, the ship he had been so desperate to leave. Perhaps death would offer more freedom - he would find out very shortly indeed.


Back below decks, Lissa was taking her impending demise with far more stoicism. "I've been waiting fer ya for a while now," she said, at present it not being certain if she was specifically addressing any one of the five sailors surrounding her bunk. "Ever since the second day, really. I got put in a bad position and ye never quite trusted me afterwards."

One of the sailors surrounding her responded. "This be odd. You're not putting up much more o' a fight? Not denying yer Frenchness or business with the Maven? Not runnin' for it like Ironside did a couple nights back or I suspect landlubber be doin' right now? Not beggin' fer protection from the officers or anyone else?"

"What be the point?" said Lissa. "Will anything I honestly say convince you to lay off and let me live?"

The reply was instant. The five sailors surrounding her all grumbled negatively.

"Well then, no sense in losing any more sleep over it than has already been done. Just know two things: One, I'd prefer it be quick. Two, I know all yer faces and will be haunting the lot o' ye for the rest of yer miserable kelp-stained lives, be they twelve hours longer or thrice as many years. Begone, I say, and after I be done with ye in life, then may Satan follow my example for eternity."

"LISSA, NO!" shouted another voice, desperately trying to reach her and save her in time. But it was too late. Undeterred by the curse she had just laid down on them, the sailors finished their job, ignoring the efforts of the newcomer to try to stop it. Afterwards, they retired to their bunks to contemplate the exact meaning of "eternity".


The next morning, Captain Double A gathered the remaining crewmen around his cabin, a grim expression on his face. "Right then, the news," he said. It looks like the number o' kills be increasing. We had two bodies overnight, landlubber and Lissa. Damn you all, we're supposed to be makin' progress, not doublin' the nightly body count!"

"Oh, look at our fearless leader, speaking about progress!" another sailor called back. "You be supposed to takin' charge and stopping this! Where be the long-promised postmortems anyway!" General murmurs of agreement followed this.

"As a matter of fact, I have the first batch right here," Double A said, "but it not be lookin' so good. TFT, seireikhaan, Kagemusha, and Ironside were loyal crewmen all and we be the worse off without them. Anyways, why am I still talking??! Get votin', ye rusty scuppers, and let's find that Frenchman!"

OOC:

First off, TFT's identity should have been revealed on D4 and not today, apologies for the confusion/delay. We should be up to speed with the post-death reveals now.

It is now Day 5. Voting will last until Thursday, October 8th, at 23:59 US Eastern Time.



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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3)

Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4)

Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)

Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)

Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4)

Souls aboard: (19)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Montmorency
NotJimRV
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Zack

[Kagemusha]

First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.

Let me correct you. I did not give orders. I was asking people to do things, which most of them did not, as they told me they were doing something else already. Only you went conveniently berserk with your hyper sensitive reaction, which allowed Visor and his band to mutiny. Now look what you are doing. You dont have an idea if DoubleA´s officers or even DoubleA is French or turned one. Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.

[Zack]

Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.

"My" vig groups? How would you even know anything about the alignments, anyways?

And once again, you're misrepresenting my reasons for mutiny. It was not solely because you handed out orders, as you and others keep saying.

[landlubber]

Zack, you were undeniably the primary organizer of those two vigs. You can pretend that you weren't a major player in last night's events, but you ought to take responsibility for your organization and promotion of those vigs. It's disingenuous to suggest that you had nothing to do with that.

[Zack]

Zack, you were undeniably the primary organizer of those two vigs. You can pretend that you weren't a major player in last night's events, but you ought to take responsibility for your organization and promotion of those vigs. It's disingenuous to suggest that you had nothing to do with that.

I did organize the two kills last night, but I have not organized any other kills. To call them "my vig groups" and say that those groups have been "failing to target anything other than townies" (implying I directed those groups on more than one occasion) is wrong. It's also disingenuous to suggest only townies have been killed and lynched, because most of those alignments have not been revealed yet.

[Visor]

Let me correct you. I did not give orders. I was asking people to do things, which most of them did not, as they told me they were doing something else already. Only you went conveniently berserk with your hyper sensitive reaction, which allowed Visor and his band to mutiny. Now look what you are doing. You dont have an idea if DoubleA´s officers or even DoubleA is French or turned one. Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.

Zack was the big supporter of the mutiny with me - thought that was rather obvious by us both questioning you hard in public.

I did give gold to Gaius and Takh to support the mutiny though - I was probably the head honcho of it all.

[El Barto]

Sae we can finally get Double A killed? A captain who told me to me face tha' he didna' care if I was robbed of me righftully acquired plunder an' blood-money? Any time! (an' I won't be chargin' ye a Csargo price)

[Visor]

I assume Csargo has been robbing me the last couple of nights