Nice to see

**Montmorency** · 09-29-2015, 17:16

450,000 - out of a population of 17 million?

Given further that the Netherlands doesn't even have any actual process for dealing with referendums, I wouldn't expect this to cause waves anytime soon.

**Fragony** · 09-29-2015, 17:43

Originally Posted by Montmorency

450,000 - out of a population of 17 million?

Given further that the Netherlands doesn't even have any actual process for dealing with referendums, I wouldn't expect this to cause waves anytime soon.

Take in mind that it was mostly ignored by newspapers and tv, they just ignored it. Only because of a thousand volunteers this is possible, It's not a treaty against, you can also vote in favour of everrything. almost everybody signed against but the option remains open. You just get a choice and you can make every choice, np at all

**Greyblades** · 09-29-2015, 19:08

They only needed 300000 and they overshot by 150000. Considering the general lack of interest the average person takes in international politics this great an outcry becomes rather more prevalent than monty would suggest.

**Montmorency** · 09-29-2015, 19:18

Considering the general lack of interest the average person takes in international politics this great an outcry becomes rather more prevalent than monty would suggest.

Rephrase this so it isn't gibberish.

**Fragony** · 09-30-2015, 00:30

Originally Posted by Montmorency

Rephrase this so it isn't gibberish.

k, geenstij is just a (very popular blog, they managed to get these (almost) 500.000 autographes thanks to about a thousand volunteers on the street. It was completily ignored, my mother didn't even know about it and she reads newspapers and watches the news. They gave it zero coverage but Geenstijl pulled it of anyway to force a referndum. Only 300.000 autographes were needed. It doesn't sound like many, but most people never heard about it, so it's quite a feat. Geenstijl is a bjt of a nemesis of MSM, but they did it anyway despite MSM totally ignoring this. Now the goverment has to have the referendum on the EU meddling it are their own rules.

It's not about nothing, we don't want Ukraine in the EU because there is a proxy-war with Russia there. EU wants to, or allready decided to, bad idea.

**Gilrandir** · 09-30-2015, 15:48

Originally Posted by Fragony

It's not about nothing, we don't want Ukraine in the EU because there is a proxy-war with Russia there. EU wants to, or allready decided to, bad idea.

It is such a long shot. It is likely to happen in like 20 years if at all. By this time Putin will have been dead and the war will have stopped.