When will this game be finished?

**lionhard** · 10-05-2015, 19:22

Well all im trying to say is .... if the game installs via steam now and only steam, then maybe the mod should be focusing future efforts on ironing out bugs with steam? I know its easy for me to sit here and say that when its you guys who are working your ass off on the mod, (or casually making a unit every 2 months) either way if steams the only way forward i hope it doesnt have too many future issues! Its not like the mod needs more bugs contributing towards regular CTD's. Anyway il install it later!

**Sylon** · 10-06-2015, 00:27

No, it installs with both Steam and non-Steam versions of the game. There are seperate launchers for Steam and non-Steam versions including in the installation.

**Shadowwalker** · 10-06-2015, 09:39

Lionhard, thank you for just giving me another reason to stay away from this frontal assault to customer rights that is called "Steam". ;)

( And good luck with getting EB II to run, of course. :) )

**lionhard** · 10-06-2015, 12:24

Im neither with or against steam shadow, but i thought steam was supposed to be good for pc gaming? with shops dieing and pc gaming generally being a lot slower these days, surely steams a good thing? I dont game much these days, i just like EB, im currently 2 years into building a koi pond in my garden thats set me back £5000 which is a lot for a pond i suppose, cheers anyway

**Shadowwalker** · 10-06-2015, 23:07

Well, first and foremost Steam is good for Valve. They don't even need to develop new games because their income is secure, so-to-sepak.

For us customers Steam is the symbol of a dramatical change in terms of our rights. We used to buy a hard copy of a game and with it we bought the right to install the game on whatever computer we had. Most important: we also bought the right to sell said hard copy to a third person (or for example a second hand shop) when we were finished / not satisfied / whatever else with the game.

Now - with Steam being necessary to get access to the majority of new games - we just buy the temporary (!) right to play it and we are completely at the mercy of Valve.
They could* decide to cut down the Steam platform tomorrow and could thereby in one second end the possibility of a myriad of players to play a myriad of games, to update them etc.

Your experiences with Steam and Medieval II are a good symbol of what I mean - even deleting Steam doesn't give you the freedom to install a hard copy version of M II TW. What the heck?!

[* "They could" does of course not mean that they would, but with a hard copy they would not even have had the chance to do so. I hope I can make the difference clear, english is still not my native language

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Just to have mentioned it: I know the points that are made in "defense" of Steam - for example that without it a lot of Indie games wouldn't have had even 10% of the success they had with it.

But all those points don't justify that Steam turned us players from "a person that owns a car by buying it" into "a person that is allowed to drive the car by buying it but doesn't own it and can -theoretically - be thrown out of it at any moment".

This is the reason why I don't own any games that need Steam, why I for example do not have any experiences with any TW game after Medieval II TW.
I do not use Steam and I will never do. I rather stop buying new games. There are lots of older gems still to explore. And gaming is not the centre of my life anyway.

Rant end.

P.S.: Shops dying is in my opinion at least partially caused by Steam.

**QuintusSertorius** · 10-07-2015, 08:55

M2TW Gold was the last game I bought for the PC, I got it on budget in about 2009 and left it in a drawer until last year.

I don't have Steam installed, I have no plans to buy any other PC games. I'm not interested in any of CA's later releases, or any other games, so no loss for me.