Another week, another mass shooting

[CrossLOPER]

Exactly how dumb are TV hosts getting today?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-1...reedom/6831618

This is Fox News. They do that type of thing. Remember terrorist fist jab?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vmQrTi3aM

[Beskar]

Remember Fox News has the support of 50% of Americans, ie: Republicans.

[Greyblades]

Each party's hard line media have issues that they go stupid over, just to name one each: republican news have gun control while Democrat news have rape accusations. I only pay attention to the BBC these days.

[Hooahguy]

Two more school shootings today.

[Montmorency]

To be fair, those weren't mass shootings, downright run-of-the-mill.

[Papewaio]

One was a mass shooting just not mass fatalities.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Gonna leave this here - from 1976.

[Shaka_Khan]

[CrossLOPER]

There are a lot of gun nuts in the US, but most of the people here just don't want to get shot.

[Beskar]

Looks like San Bernardino is next in line.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34991855

[a completely inoffensive name]

Has been all over the news here in southern California. It was a man and woman who attacked a regional center for helping disabled individuals. Their house had 12 pipe bombs, seemingly ready to be used.

[Greyblades]

[Husar]

Their house had 12 pipe bombs, seemingly ready to be used.

How many people were actually ever killed by pipe bombs?
You always hear the killers had pipe bombs in their home, but they probably don't kill a lot of people by lying around at home. How often did someone actually successfully use a pipe bomb to kill people?
Even the notable incidents on Wikipedia seem to include almost more people who blew themselves up than deaths of others:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_b...able_incidents
The 1996 incident seems the worst, killed two and injured 111, but doesn't say how badly.

Not that I'm pro-pipe bomb, it's just the news that "pipe bombs were found" does not sound really scary, see also the 2010 Stockholm bombing...
I forgot what it's called but there is usually something else they use to kill far more people.

[a completely inoffensive name]

For a reason still being determined, it looks like the attack was accelerated and was not the original attack as planned but more spontaneous. Thus, why the bombs were not used. FYI, one of the deadliest terrorists attacks in the US was the Oklahoma City Bombing. 168 deaths, 680+ injuries. That's around 12 times worse than San Bernardino. So yeah, bombs are no joke if the terrorists have the patience to plan and deploy them properly.

[Montmorency]

?

If you walk into a mass shooter's house and find 100 different models of assault rifle, is that scary?

None of those weapons will have been used, since, you know, they're still stacked up at home. Unless this is the Matrix, or the individual is some kind of Lakshmi-Rambo hybrid, then any number of weapons left behind at their home is not 'scary" unless it signifies accomplices or a larger network.

For now, the takeaway from the pipe-bombs is that this was something they had been planning for a while, but probably without much or any outside assistance or training.

[Husar]

For a reason still being determined, it looks like the attack was accelerated and was not the original attack as planned but more spontaneous. Thus, why the bombs were not used. FYI, one of the deadliest terrorists attacks in the US was the Oklahoma City Bombing. 168 deaths, 680+ injuries. That's around 12 times worse than San Bernardino. So yeah, bombs are no joke if the terrorists have the patience to plan and deploy them properly.

A truck bomb is not a pipe bomb. I'm sure a pipe bomb also has the potential to be dangerous in theory, I just haven't heard of many cases where they were in practice.

If you walk into a mass shooter's house and find 100 different models of assault rifle, is that scary?

If they are neatly lined up in velvet cases, no, if they lie in between human body parts that he used to make soup, yes.

None of those weapons will have been used, since, you know, they're still stacked up at home. Unless this is the Matrix, or the individual is some kind of Lakshmi-Rambo hybrid, then any number of weapons left behind at their home is not 'scary" unless it signifies accomplices or a larger network.

Indeed, what does that tell us about the actual success rate of killing people with pipe bombs? I linked to the wikipedia lising of cases where they were used, and apart from one or two cases, even then they did not seem all that deadly. It lists two or three cases where only the perpetrator died, either at home or even during the attempt to kill others. If those are among the most noteworthy cases of use, well...

For now, the takeaway from the pipe-bombs is that this was something they had been planning for a while, but probably without much or any outside assistance or training.

Yes, in a way I just found it interesting that so many people planned something with pipe bombs but so few people were actually ever killed by one. Which is a good thing I guess, maybe more pipe bomb recipes on the internet could drown out the actually dangerous ones.

[a completely inoffensive name]

12 pipe bombs depending on the context could kill as many as a single truck bomb.

[Montmorency]

The best thing you can say about pipe bombs is that the people making pipe bombs usually don't make good ones.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Basically, yeah. The two pressure cooker bombs used in Boston killed 3 but injured over 260 and I believe it's because the bombs were not even that sophisticated.

[Husar]

The best thing you can say about pipe bombs is that the people making pipe bombs usually don't make good ones.

You say that as though I were happy that they exist, but yes, maybe what you say is correct, doesn't change the reality that they usually don't seem to do much. Of course I'd hope it stays that way. What a bomb expert could do with one was not my point. I observed that in most of their uses, they did not do all that much damage, which I assume is usually a better thing than if they did.
And maybe I assumed that they are often mentioned to increase the scare factor a bit, but if you disagree that's okay, no hard feelings, please don't hit me...

[Montmorency]

But what exactly are you referring to then, how the media represents pipe bombs, how people in general perceive pipe bombs, or the actual lethality or safety risk from pipe bomb detonations? None of these are particular interesting, useful, or even relevant angles to explore.

But if I must: pipe bombs do not cause much damage precisely because they are usually made or planned for by amateurs, who make a poor bomb that detonates feebly or not at all, never get a chance to use the bomb, or - most commonly and importantly - get the attention of the FBI during the process of procuring supplies or doing research toward the construction of pipe bombs.

Successful bombers - whether serial killers or terrorists - tend to use more sophisticated devices with better preparation and delivery.

[Beskar]

Republicans shamed for offering Prayers and rejecting legislation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34992061

[Greyblades]

Wow. The New York Daily News have become the #Blacklivesmatter of gun control.

[Greyblades]

[CrossLOPER]

You need to stop listening to 4channer /pol/ and/or far right levels political discourse. You might start believing it and do something crazy.

Here is an interesting read regarding the matter:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...gs-in-america/

[Husar]

There you have it, this is how they operate.
Europe is sent to war while the strong and proud citizens of the US are neutered.
Once the entire world is in chaos and subjugated, they will kill most of us and enslave the rest.
Stop drinking their kool eight people.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12...appears/207201

Wake up and realize that they are fooling you...

[Greyblades]

You need to stop listening to 4channer /pol/ and/or far right levels political discourse. You might start believing it and do something crazy.

Here is an interesting read regarding the matter:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...gs-in-america/

Believe what? That the gun control debate has become so shameless that the left wing politicians and media jump at the chance to turn every tragedy into a platform to preach, to the point where they show themselves as slackjawed idiots incapable of letting go of a narrative until the bitter end.

Incidentally, nice kneejerk there pal, dismissing any critiscism as just another /pol/ delusion, not adressing the points made and posting a link to a tabliod as if it was a grand retort, really makes you seem like you actually watched more than 5 seconds.

[AE Bravo]

That guy sounds like he's getting ready to shoot up a school.

...But not all of those people.

[Brenus]

I can't stop to think: What if in Paris, the fanatic murderers would have been able to buy as much good weapons, as much ammo they could and body protection, all this legally? No need to smuggle, no need to hind, just buy and shoot... How the guard would have been able to stop the three bombers to go in the stadium?

[Pannonian]

I can't stop to think: What if in Paris, the fanatic murderers would have been able to buy as much good weapons, as much ammo they could and body protection, all this legally? No need to smuggle, no need to hind, just buy and shoot... How the guard would have been able to stop the three bombers to go in the stadium?

I'm thankful that they need to go further with their plans to effect the same level of carnage that's ordinarily available in the US. But, in Europe at least, while we don't have the ubiquity of firearms to deal with, we do have the mentality. AFAIK most of the Paris attackers fitted this profile, and troublemakers in the UK certainly fit this profile. Muslims who stay in their European host countries all their lives aren't usually a problem. Muslims who pursue their identity and go to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and other radicalisation hotspots often return with a drastically different mindset, one which no longer tolerates the western society that they return to. In the case of the San Bernardino attackers, the man's colleagues noticed that he was extremely different when he returned from Saudi Arabia. "I think he's married a terrorist", quotes one.