Charlemagne DLC

**Crandar** · 10-06-2015, 14:15

C'est pour Charlemagne, old rascals!

Didn't expect it honestly, I thought that we should expect something more British, something Iceni-like.

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**Hooahguy** · 10-06-2015, 15:13

Looks interesting. Any idea what it could be about?

**Crandar** · 10-06-2015, 15:21

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Looks interesting. Any idea what it could be about?

It concerns Charlemagne, the starting date is 768 AD and the map includes the entire Western Europe, from Scotland to Sicily and from Morocco to Denmark.

**Cazbol** · 10-06-2015, 15:23

Hell, yes. They can just shut up and take my money.

**Hooahguy** · 10-06-2015, 15:54

Originally Posted by Crandar

It concerns Charlemagne, the starting date is 768 AD and the map includes the entire Western Europe, from Scotland to Sicily and from Morocco to Denmark.

Ah, didnt see the first line of your topic. Sounds intriguing! Would be cool to have an expansionist campaign rather than a defensive one at least from my understanding anyways.

**Myth** · 10-07-2015, 08:03

As one of my all time favorite historical figures, I'm getting this for sure. Loved the CKII expansion about him too.

**Veho Nex** · 10-10-2015, 04:06

I love how people scour the code for an update and a leak

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-14-2015, 18:01

No ERE to reclaim the lost provinces.

I will continue playing Crusader Kings II.

I'm sorry but some on, just give us the whole freaking map like you did with Barbarian Invasion and the original RTW.

Edit: This also means they're skipping over the Muslim Conquests, I think that's a real shame. I understand why you wouldn't depict Muhammed himself in the game but the Conquest Train out of Arabia only got going really after his death and that seems to me a period ripe for Total War with the new upstart Empire and the two Ailing Behemoths in Rome and Sassania.

**lars573** · 10-17-2015, 15:51

Thing is that prohibition on depicting the prophet applies to some members of his family. Any of the first few Caliph's fall under the ban on depictions. A movie from the 60's about Mohamed had to use his uncle (who's relation was by marriage not blood) as the character they could show on screen.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-18-2015, 04:32

Originally Posted by lars573

Thing is that prohibition on depicting the prophet applies to some members of his family. Any of the first few Caliph's fall under the ban on depictions. A movie from the 60's about Mohamed had to use his uncle (who's relation was by marriage not blood) as the character they could show on screen.

And yet, we can depict the Huns as basically blood-drinking barbarians who do nothing that burn and kill until a European faction wipes them out. The depiction of Attila and his CONSTANT battering of the Romans is something of a joke as is his habit of laying waste to all around him.

I suppose that's because all the Huns are dead, so it's OK.

**dge1** · 10-22-2015, 10:40

Originally Posted by Veho Nex

I love how people scour the code for an update and a leak

Interesting DLC if true.

**Hooahguy** · 11-23-2015, 20:14

Seems like the new DLC will be announced tomorrow.

**Hooahguy** · 11-24-2015, 16:25

Yup, its Charlemagne.

A new age has arrived, and Charlemagne’s rule is about to begin!We’re excited to announce the new DLC for Total War: ATTILA – Age of Charlemagne.
The Age of Charlemagne Campaign Pack is an epic expansion for Total War: ATTILA; set in the Middle Ages, long after Attila’s reign has ended and as one of the greatest kings in history endeavours to bring peace to the continent… by whatever means necessary.
In our largest Total War: ATTILA expansion to date, a brand new campaign map resplendent in medieval-style artwork focuses on Europe from the year 768 AD. With the introduction of Knights, Housecarls and other new era units, battlefield conflict takes an iconic turn, along with over 50 conquerable provinces, new campaign mechanics and a detailed and vibrant geopolitical starting position.
Opportunity presents itself in tying together vast new kingdoms; powerful new states that can be marshalled under a banner of civilisation drawn from ashes.
Total War: ATTILA - Age of Charlemagne is out on 10th December and is available to pre-order today from 6pm GMT on Steam. And all Total War: ATTILA owners can also expect some exciting Free-LC news coming soon…

**easytarget** · 11-24-2015, 22:32

Cool! Bring it on I say! I love the idea of creeping our way into the middle ages once again....

**Cazbol** · 11-24-2015, 22:52

Excellent. I shall eagerly await the 10th.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-25-2015, 01:15

"Focusing on Europe"

That begs the question of whether the only Muslims will be in Iberia. I feel we're only getting part of a game if you don't give us the Grand Campaign Map - and as yet I can find no map.

so no Caliphate, no Byzantine Empire and no Africa?

I'm not all that excited.

Edit:

Map on the Total War forums: https://www.instagram.com/p/-eMqe6L22P/

Much sadness.

**Hooahguy** · 11-25-2015, 01:33

The constrained campaign map is of much dismay for me. Maybe Ill get it when its on sale.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-25-2015, 02:51

Indeed.

What is Charlemagne without an Eastern Emperor to measure himself against? Without an Empress Irene he might marry?

Looking at that map I'm wondering if the ERE will be the new Huns, it's hard to see how you can have almost all of Greece there and not have it spawn Cataphract Doomstacks.

The same holds for that big chuck of Scandinavia.

On the official forums they're saying they don't want it to be the case that the Saxons have only one settlement given that Charlemagne battled them for decades but it strikes me that the Saxons were plenty trouble with one settlement in the Grand Campaign.

Strikes me having a map like this eliminates a lot of potential factions, leading to large nations where the player has to repeatedly fight the same faction with the same units, like in the Last Roman, which I confess I lost interest in once I realised the only factions with substantial new rosters were the Ostragothic Kindom and the Romans - the Vandal and Visigoth Kingdoms aren't even available in multiplayer because, with a few token exceptions, they're the same as the main Attila factions.

Meanwhile, all the Iranian Nobles are stuck in a faction group with the Mongols in the Grand Campaign.

**Myth** · 11-26-2015, 09:43

I'll wait intull Attila is at 75% and get this along with it.

**Cazbol** · 11-26-2015, 14:18

Pre-ordered.

**edyzmedieval** · 11-27-2015, 15:54

Definitely looking forward to this. A bit of medieval feel to Attila...

**easytarget** · 11-27-2015, 17:09

I am too as I suspect this will only help the work already underway on creating a medieval mod started w/ R2 and now being done in Attila.

**Kamakazi** · 12-01-2015, 00:32

I find the intro video underwhelming and I generally hate anything French. I might get this when it goes on sale though... I'm more of a GC person anyway.

**Sp4** · 12-02-2015, 19:56

This looks pretty cool. Charlemange is a bit of a favourite historical figure of mine. I'll probably get it.

Atm, I am loving the last Roman (also I was weak and bought the game and all)

**Crandar** · 12-05-2015, 17:24

Free DLC revealed, an overhaul of the Alani roster and the Hepthalites. Perhaps, they could stop the Sassanids from steamrolling everything on their path:

**easytarget** · 12-05-2015, 17:42

It would have been nice if they announced they were tweaking the Sassanids, escapes my understanding how CA made Attila w/o play testing it even once, which is all it would take no matter who you played as to uncover the OP nature of these guys.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 12-06-2015, 18:49

Yikes, look at those Alanai Cataphracts, also the odd Alani cavalry with 0 charge bonus, that almost seems like a bug. Overall it's nice to see the Alani becoming a proper Sarmation faction, though. It's dissapointing that the Roxolani haven't been shifted into the Sarmation group with the Alani, though.

Now, the White Huns.

Whilst I applaud sticking a knife in the Sassanids' collective backs I think the armour on some of those units is just absurd for a faction like that. Given that many of the units in the western half of the map are just wearing mail it seems bizare the extent to which some Eastern units are just over armoured.

The commentator describes an armour rating of 62 as "decent" but there are very few units with that armour rating outside of top tear elite infantry and the Yanda Spear Masters have a rating of 77, which is not "really good for the Huns" so must as really good for super-heavy cataphracts.

**Cazbol** · 12-06-2015, 19:41

I find it quite interesting how everyone's experience of the Sassanids is that they're overpowered and roll all over their neighbours. In my campaign, the Eastern Roman Empire totally kept them in check.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 12-07-2015, 00:01

It's not so much that they always run rampant, it's more that if the ERE is occupied they can cripple the Romans before the Romans can respond.

**Crandar** · 12-07-2015, 10:26

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

Yikes, look at those Alanai Cataphracts, also the odd Alani cavalry with 0 charge bonus, that almost seems like a bug. Overall it's nice to see the Alani becoming a proper Sarmation faction, though. It's dissapointing that the Roxolani haven't been shifted into the Sarmation group with the Alani, though.

It's not a bug, it's intended.

This unit is supposed to be terrible at charging and at fighting against infantry, but excellent at fighting against cavalry.

CA is overdoing it, trying to complicate the rock-scissor-paper tactic. Cavalry was divided into light and heavy, not into light, shock, heavy or anti-cavalry.

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