Seriously, put yourself into my situation and be of any use.

[Fragony]

It's pretty simple, a friend wants to commit suicide but wants to kill his farther first. I know why and I would have killed him allready. I am trying to talk him out out of everything he plans to do but he is really smart, much smarter than me and can counter anything I come up with. Should I warn his father who is a horrible person or should I just pretend I never knew. I'm not sure. I am pretty sure my friend is serious, and he is way too intelligent to make social-workers change his mind.

So advice

[rvg]

It's pretty simple, a friend wants to commit suicide but wants to kill his farther first. I know why and I would have killed him allready. I am trying to talk him out out of everything he plans to do but he is really smart, much smarter than me and can counter anything I come up with. Should I warn his father who is a horrible person or should I just pretend I never knew. I'm not sure. I am pretty sure my friend is serious, and he is way too intelligent to make social-workers change his mind.

So advice

What's more important to him, killing his father or killing himself? Whichever you think is more important to him, that's what you need to talk him out of, the other part would fall off on its own.

If it's suicide, then I don't know, take him out to dinner or something, give him a chance to have some fun. That generally puts the suicide ideas on hold.

If it's killing his father, then maybe you can stress that very few people are beyond redemption, no matter how bad they've been.

This is just to buy you some time. In the meantime, you might wanna contact the authorities, this guy needs serious help.

[Papewaio]

You've just posted prior knowledge on a website. It's like sending nude photos to a girlfriend over the net. Consider what you wrote a postcard.

So you have prior knowledge of an attempted murder/suicide and possibly will be the only one left standing between your friend and his father.

Guess who is now an accessory to the issue and won't be able to plead mental illness unlike your friend.

In other words you now either go to the authorities or hope he doesn't do it or that somehow this website doesn't get recorded by your local law enforcement. Because it isn't likely that a website that has games that have keywords like invasion, Middle East, crusades and Jihad would flag any law enforcement agencies spiders.

[rory_20_uk]

Yup. Flag it to the pigs and get some body armour.

[Crandar]

Call the police and do nothing else, as you can't know how your "delay tactics" will influence a mentally unstable person.
Remember that the importance of human life means a high level of responsibility.

[Gilrandir]

To give a better advice people here will need more input information, like the reasons why your friend wants to do what he says he will.

[Hooahguy]

As Papewaio said, if he actually did carry out the murder and named you in any way that you had prior knowledge and failed to notify authorities, you would be charged with an accessory to murder. At least in the US you would be. It probably works differently in the Netherlands. Either way, I would highly suggest you notify the authorities.

[Fragony]

I can get away with all that, I want to help a friend I don't know how to. Signalling in authorities is not an option, it would do more harm than good, they are all hihi-schoolgirls without a clue, he learned how to play Chopin's entire collection when he was 8, there is nothing on offer

[Gilrandir]

I can get away with all that, I want to help a friend I don't know how to. Signalling in authorities is not an option, it would do more harm than good, they are all hihi-schoolgirls without a clue

Again, more information is necessary.

[Greyblades]

Fragony for the love of god call the authorities.

Handling a patricidal-suicidal teenager is far beyond anyone on this forum's expertise, he needs professional help not the dubious advice of anonymous internet forum-ites.

[AE Bravo]

:(

I think maybe try talking him out of suicide first, and if he reconsiders that than he probably will think twice about ruining his life in any way by committing the act. If not convinced just call the cops or else I don't think you'll be able to live with yourself.

Good luck dawg.

[Gilrandir]

What is the way he is going to kill his father and himself? I bet it is a gun. Try to get the weapon out of his reach or him away from the place where the weapon is.

[Husar]

You are witness to someone wanting to commit a murder and as Pape said, it's already on the internet. Whether you believe that the police or social workers can talk him out of it is irrelevant, you need to call the police ASAP unless you feel like going to jail for doing nothing. If you notify them and they fail to stop it then it is their fault, if you never say anything it is your fault. And that's both from the law and a moral perspective. How intelligent your friend is is irrelevant, if he has the "better arguments" towards a social worker for why he should murder his father, he will probably still get locked up until he moves away from that idea.

It's nice that you tried to talk him out of it, but now that that has failed, call someone who knows more about this. The police and social workers can also involve psychologists who are about as clever as your friend and have probably dealt with similar situations before, stop pretending that your friend is "too clever for everyone", that's just a dangerous excuse for inaction.

[Beskar]

Contact your local mental health provider or your local police department as soon as possible and say how high the risk is.

Also, your friend has not done anything illegal yet. He has not carried out any plans or made any threats, so having services involved will not affect his standing. But it will help him get the support he needs.

[Fragony]

Again, more information is necessary.

Not really, all you need to know is that I am seriously concerned. I do not know what to do. He is no idiot he is a highly intelligent piane maestro, I am incredibly dumb compared to him,

[rajpoot]

If he's actually serious and this isn't a cryl for attention then just call the cops mate. You don't want to try to stop him, fail, and then regret it for the rest of your life.

[Crandar]

Not really, all you need to know is that I am seriously concerned. I do not know what to do. He is no idiot he is a highly intelligent piane maestro, I am incredibly dumb compared to him,

Fragony, it's not like you have a choice, either morally or selfishly.
From a moral perspective, even if his father regularly absued him sexually, murdering him and then committing suicide is not the right way to handle it.
Cynically, if the police somehow learns from him, the thread or any other source that you were aware of his plans, then definitely expect to be charged with accessory to murder.
In fact, prhases like "I would have killed him already" will encourage an ambitious prosecutor to raise his goals.

Sincere friendship is about doing the best for your friend and always trying to please him. If he is indeed so clever, then I am certain that he will later appreciate you warning the authorities.

[CrossLOPER]

Let us review the situation:

1. There is a potential murder-suicide.

2. You are an accessory.

Your options were:

a. Keep out of it.

b. Call the police/social services.

a. is out of the question because of 2. You have one option left.

[Sarmatian]

OR...




... you can all remember where Fragony lives and what's legal over there.


"What a piece of luck. My friend was totally gonna do it, but then Jesus appeared riding a dragon and persuaded him not to."

[Kagemusha]

Call the cops/ social services like others have said already. There really isnt any other option, if your friend is for real.

[Myth]

Get him to join the .org and come to the BR to argue with the patrons.

"I'm coming to kill you in a minute, but this guy is just PISSING ME OFF!"

No but seriously, what you should do is convince him to seek help. Go with him. Also go with him so he reports whatever his father did/has been doing. See the father locked up, help your friend through rehab or whatver you call it.

[Fragony]

It's on hold for a while at least, he just told me he is writing a biography first. That should take some time.

[Montmorency]

It's on hold for a while at least, he just told me he is writing a biography first. That should take some time.

This place can be really funny sometimes.

[rajpoot]

It's on hold for a while at least, he just told me he is writing a biography first. That should take some time.

While this makes the whole situation a little morbidly funny, but again if the dude was being serious, you shouldn't wait till the next time he flips.

[Fragony]

While this makes the whole situation a little morbidly funny, but again if the dude was being serious, you shouldn't wait till the next time he flips.

Let me explain, I did go to the authorities half a year ago, basicly the same thing, he wanted to kill himself and wanted to take some others with him. I was not on his list because I was never mean to him (he's gay). Disturbing. Because of that I really messed things up for him because he was immediatly zeroed in his reintigration-program that could have made things better, but I made things worse. A girlfriend of mine who is a psychologists says that people who want to commit suicide almost never talk abouf it but just do it. Writing a biography is morbidly funny but it buys some time, I hope he finds a nice new boyfriend (before you ask, no) that can pull him out of this maelström

[CrossLOPER]

It's on hold for a while at least, he just told me he is writing a biography first. That should take some time.

Great, Frags, great. I look forward to reading the manifesto "biography" after the murders.

[Papewaio]

So whilst you aren't a candidate for the nice boyfriend, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Maybe you could help him with his social circle.

Mind you I always thought gay men and muscians essentially got it on tap. Maybe the two cancel each other out...

[Fragony]

Great, Frags, great. I look forward to reading the manifesto "biography" after the murders.

It's not in my hands, I warned the police last year when he said these things. I thought it was over but it isn't

[Beskar]

What about advising him to use the mental health services? After all, he is having sudicial idealation.

[Fragony]

What about advising him to use the mental health services? After all, he is having sudicial idealation.

He has been going trough that for years, as I said he is highly intelligent, they can't reach him as he is way to smart to not notice it when someone is playing with his toes. He holds me in high regards but I don't know how to change his mind either. He's a bit like Sartre's Nausea in a way, or every way really, everhthing disgusts him.

edit, come to think of it, he should read that, he could relate to that