Loss Aversion, Fear and Right Wing Political Views

[rory_20_uk]

Given that the current rate of high tax is 40% with NI on top of that - and of course most things one purchases has VAT on top of that makes me wonder how the middle class is not paying in since some will be paying tens of thousands annually.

Yes, the super rich are able to have offshore trust funds / tax exile companies and all the other weird and wonderful things and get their percentage to extremely low levels.

Companies are equally guilty and this is largely due to the tax complexity. Governments for decades are culpable for not fixing this - I fail to see how this has anything to do with right / left wing unless there are no left wing companies.

[Fragony]

Reads like they refuse to make a difference between conservative and the extreme right. All extreme rightists are conservatives,. But not all conservatives are extreme right.

Nigel Farrage is called extreme right, but I just think he's a realist, and his concerns valid.

[Idaho]

Reads like they refuse to make a difference between conservative and the extreme right. All extreme rightists are conservatives,. But not all conservatives are extreme right.

Nigel Farrage is called extreme right, but I just think he's a realist, and his concerns valid.

Farage is a fascist with a surface coating of "reasonable bloke next door" painted on. I would agree with him on many of his criticisms of the EU but he is operating in defence of privilege and him and his ilk are a coiled spring of violence and repression waiting to happen.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Farage is a fascist with a surface coating of "reasonable bloke next door" painted on. I would agree with him on many of his criticisms of the EU but he is operating in defence of privilege and him and his ilk are a coiled spring of violence and repression waiting to happen.

No, he is not a Fascist and his supporters are generally not Fascists either.

You talk about fearmongering, but fear is what you're peddling here.

Compare UKIP to the people picketing the Conservative Party Conference.

[Idaho]

No, he is not a Fascist and his supporters are generally not Fascists either.

You talk about fearmongering, but fear is what you're peddling here.

Compare UKIP to the people picketing the Conservative Party Conference.

Yeah what terrible people, protesting at government policy. Farage would soon put a stop to that.

Fascism is characterised by corporate control over the economy, removal of union and worker rights and repression of protest, political expression and democratic rights. There is usually accounted some xenophobia to.

[Fisherking]

Fascism is characterised by corporate control over the economy, removal of union and worker rights and repression of protest, political expression and democratic rights. There is usually accounted some xenophobia to.

I would say Fascism is government control of the economy. Corporations are allowed a lot of latitude only so long as it coincides with governmental wishes. Unions may also be in the interest of the government in its levelling and conflict resolution.

Governments today all seem to be Totalitarian in scope and interpose their desires on every aspect of society.

Remember that Fascism had its beginnings in Socialism. It didn’t take on any rightwing aspects until it was in power and became of the interest of the State to maintain its power and broaden its base of support.

[Fragony]

Yeah what terrible people, protesting at government policy. Farage would soon put a stop to that.

Fascism is characterised by corporate control over the economy, removal of union and worker rights and repression of protest, political expression and democratic rights. There is usually accounted some xenophobia to.

The EU is facist then (minos xenophobia), and Farrage an anti-facist

[Greyblades]

Yeah what terrible people, protesting at government policy. Farage would soon put a stop to that.

Where do you get the idea that Farage would suppress protest? Frankly most of the time its been his opponents that have been trying to suppress him, remember the Kent pub incident?

[Fragony]

Farage is a fascist with a surface coating of "reasonable bloke next door" painted on. I would agree with him on many of his criticisms of the EU but he is operating in defence of privilege and him and his ilk are a coiled spring of violence and repression waiting to happen.

I don't see how, when it comes to facism you might be looking the wrong way

Leftists and europhiles see facism everywhere, but they don't recognise it when looking into the mirror. Farrage is a democrate through and through untill the marbles of his bones.

[Greyblades]

I get the feeling no one on this forum is entirely clear on what fascism actually is.

[Gilrandir]

I get the feeling no one on this forum is entirely clear on what fascism actually is.

I refer you to Russia Today. These guys know a thing or two.

[Fisherking]

I get the feeling no one on this forum is entirely clear on what fascism actually is.

This is great! Let’s go through Fascism. Most definitions say that it is an authoritarian government run by a dictator that surprises its opposition. That is a little too broad, don’t you think?

The interesting thing is that Benito Mussolini said that his form of government might be more rightly termed Corporatism as it was the perfect partnership between corporations and the state. It was a managed economy for the benefit of the state.

We seem to place emphasis on strong Nationalism but it was not the nation that was of ultimate importance. It was actually the State or Government.

The State became ultimate arbiter of disputes and intervened in matters to suppress class and level society.

Fascist leaders such as Mussolini and Hitler spoke of the need to create a new managerial elite led by engineers and captains of industry—but free from the parasitic leadership of industries.

Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector, and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronising itself with the economic goals of the state.

Other than being ,nominally, Democracies, it doesn’t sound too much different than most western governments today.

[Idaho]

Reads like they refuse to make a difference between conservative and the extreme right. All extreme rightists are conservatives,. But not all conservatives are extreme right.

Nigel Farrage is called extreme right, but I just think he's a realist, and his concerns valid.

The far right's mandate is always predicated on valid and reasonable concerns.

[Idaho]

For the benefit of those outside the UK, there is group of UKIP and Tory fellow travellers called the Taxpayers alliance. They came out with this policy statement:

Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.
Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.
And others would forget which party had done it, he added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34439965

This is the nature of the British (actually English) right wing. They have the compassion and morality of alley cats.

[Greyblades]

15 years and he still cant learn how to use the freaking edit button.

[Idaho]

15 years and he still cant learn how to use the freaking edit button.

The edit window is awkward to use on the mobile.

[Beskar]

Right-wing politics tend to emphasise the betterment of one-self at the expense of others through guise of individualism, usually leading to a hierarchical system of those on top at various degrees over those at the bottom. It tends to use variables as bloodlines, wealth, ethnic-tensions, map boundaries, religion/ideology. This allows ambition and disparity to flourish.

Left-wing politics tend to emphasise the betterment of one-self in cooperation with others, the goal to create an open and fair society. This would be to treat your fellow human as equals and tend to promote a shared unity. This limits ambition and forces a parity.

Central position is an attempt to straddle these two views, promoting greater betterment, but preventing the extremes from occurring by limiting the power and excesses of those on top whilst promoting independence of those at the bottom. This usually is slow to change and react, but allows ambition limited by keeping an acceptable parity.

Fascism in History was classified as a '3rd way' but it is a bastardisation of extreme right wing views. Totalitarian systems don't fit the scale well as they demonstrate a fixation and extreme on right wing politics by having an elite far above everyone else whilst aiming to promote a symbolic unity such as nationalism to entrench and support the elite from those wading in mud. This is why it is called the 'extreme right' or 'far right'. This allows no ambition and fosters great disparity.

As an off-note, whilst different groups can be classified as on the left or the right, it does not mean they are compatible in working together. In fact, there are examples where those on the opposite sides are more alike than their peers. This demonstrates a lot of the fundamental issues which causes problem in clarification.

Example: tea-party libertarian can find a lot more in common with an anarchist than a royalist. Anarchists tend to believe in individualism to the point there is no one above them, rejecting all authority and free to live in their own at patch and communities, thus creating a parity, whilst Tea-party liberatarian generally against regulation and control of the political sphere authority, granting extra freedoms but removes any restrictions to these which tend to cause economical corporate powers to exploit and fill this vacuum unopposed. Anarchist is on the left due to the parity being enforced including rejecting economical supremacy, whilst tea-party liberatarian is on the right as it promotes economical supremacy. This again is more akin to the royalist who values the supremacy being encouraged but by different actors.

(Yes, I am aware this is simplified.)

[rory_20_uk]

For the benefit of those outside the UK, there is group of UKIP and Tory fellow travellers called the Taxpayers alliance. They came out with this policy statement:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34439965

This is the nature of the British (actually English) right wing. They have the compassion and morality of alley cats.

The sentiment is extremely unpleasant... but they are advocating cutting giving money to extremely wealthy pensioners. I would have thought that you'd agree this sentiment to redistribute wealth to the poor and needy.