The Inquisition [Concluded]

**Myrddraal** · 11-23-2015, 17:20

Just to stress the point a little more - let's suppose Monty is innocent, and he will from now on be very carefully keeping his scan targets to himself, and submitting them 5 minutes before the night deadline.

The mafia will surely kill him tonight. An accurate scanner is far to risky for the Mafia to keep around in the late game.

Actually, this should have happened last night... but it didn't.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 11-23-2015, 17:22

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Just to stress the point a little more - let's suppose Monty is innocent, and he will from now on be very carefully keeping his scan targets to himself, and submitting them 5 minutes before the night deadline.

The mafia will surely kill him tonight. An accurate scanner is far to risky for the Mafia to keep around in the late game.

Actually, this should have happened last night... but it didn't.

Under my hypothesis, Sooh knew in advance that Monty was going to be protected (because I had a large group of five on it, auto's mess-up of the orders nonwithstanding) and decided to go for a safer target.

**Myrddraal** · 11-23-2015, 17:29

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Under my hypothesis, Sooh knew in advance that Monty was going to be protected (because I had a large group of five on it, auto's mess-up of the orders nonwithstanding) and decided to go for a safer target.

Fair point. The Mafia have shown they are able to overcome protection groups, but I suppose in the alternative hypothesis Edse would have been the second Mafioso, and perhaps that would mean they couldn't overcome protection groups any more.

But I really struggle to believe that Edse was Mafia given his presence in the Visor write-up. Monty himself claims that his Edse result was tampered with. In that case, I guess that those that attacked Visor are still alive, but actively chose that only one of them should show up that night to feed the theory of Edse's guilt.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 11-23-2015, 17:40

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

But I really struggle to believe that Edse was Mafia given his presence in the Visor write-up. Monty himself claims that his Edse result was tampered with.

This seems to be a critical point in your argument against Monty, but I admit that I don't really follow. Could you explain in detail what you mean by this?

**Myrddraal** · 11-23-2015, 17:48

In the write-up of the attempted protection of Visor, three groups were present. At first, they were reported as a group of 3, a group of 4 and a group of 2.

The group of two was me and Ituralde. The group of four was your group GH, with khaan initially assuming I was part of that group as well (I was cc'd on the orders) but correcting himself after I pointed out that the numbers didn't seem right. The last group (of three) was an Armouz group of jht, Landlubber and edse. This was claimed in thread by edse.

It's after edse posted this information that Monty announced that his scan must have been spoofed. Actually, both mine and Monty's arguments start with this point - his scan did not match the line-up of the protection. His argument is that obviously I somehow spoofed his results, forging not only the alignment but the history of night-actions. I contend that he's making it up as he goes along.

I highly doubt that Mafioso can appear twice in a write-up, once in the protection group and once as the killer. It directly contradicts Monty's claim that edse was killing Visor. I especially doubt it after khaan went to the trouble of correcting his numbers.

**johnhughthom** · 11-23-2015, 17:49

My gut says Vote: Myrddraal

**Zack** · 11-23-2015, 17:51

I find it kinda weird how gung-ho you are about beating that drum (about people appearing in the writeups). You just played in Pirate Ship where keeping track of that turned out to be mostly a distraction.

**Zack** · 11-23-2015, 17:50

Originally Posted by Myrddraal

I highly doubt that Mafioso can appear twice in a write-up, once in the protection group and once as the killer.

Why? There's precedent.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 11-23-2015, 17:59

Alright, so operating under the assumption that there were three original scum, the Visorslash attack happened when there were two of them left (since dcmort's guilt appears not to be in question). They both appear in the writeup - silver mask and pearl mask.

The (revised) protection groups that night were 3-3-2. We know that they would have failed no matter what because some game mechanic caused all protection on Visor that night to be nullified. We're not sure if this was an innate ability or a mafia weapon, but my guess is the latter. Sooh and edse were both allegedly in on the protections - Sooh CC'd her orders to me and edse claimed so in the thread and this was never called into question.

So, at the moment, unless the mafia can be two people at once, the numbers do not appear to match up.

Monty?

**GeneralHankerchief** · 11-23-2015, 20:21

Monty, just because you got your lynch and it's night phase doesn't mean I'm going to let you off the hook for this:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Alright, so operating under the assumption that there were three original scum, the Visorslash attack happened when there were two of them left (since dcmort's guilt appears not to be in question). They both appear in the writeup - silver mask and pearl mask.

The (revised) protection groups that night were 3-3-2. We know that they would have failed no matter what because some game mechanic caused all protection on Visor that night to be nullified. We're not sure if this was an innate ability or a mafia weapon, but my guess is the latter. Sooh and edse were both allegedly in on the protections - Sooh CC'd her orders to me and edse claimed so in the thread and this was never called into question.

So, at the moment, unless the mafia can be two people at once, the numbers do not appear to match up.

Monty?