The Inquisition [Concluded]

[Sooh]

So a hit of five people on GH failed because (presumably) they couldn't agree on which god they believed in?

And a protect group of four failed because ???

Assuming that everyone alive last night was involved in some kind of action that leaves us with two unaccounted for, right? Does that mean there's still two mafia out there, or were there just people who didn't manage to get in a NA?

[Zack]

Montmorency, Golden1Knight, Zack, Nightbringer, JHT, and landlubber attack General Hankerchief tonight.

Montmorency, Golden1Knight, Zack, Nightbringer, JHT, and landlubber attack General Hankerchief tonight.

I also do this I suppose

failed because not enough of the people involved believed in the same god

Everyone sent in orders and cc'd everyone else. So one person is missing.

[Zack]

Received a week ago:

As you may know by now, I am the scanner role that's been talked about lately.

But I have come to suspect that after dcmort, the Mafia has been interfering with my scans. If so, the likeliest candidate is Myrddraal. He has been around since the beginning, organizing Shahnak. Under his leadership, Kage's PR was killed off early, and I myself was attacked after I revealed to him that I was a scanner. His biggest partner was Pizza, whom I was also working with after scanning as town. But Pizza died the night after I scanned edse as scum.

I don't think he expected me to scan dcmort on the night of Kage's death (on Pizza's suggestion), but afterwards he may have been spoofing my results. After all, how likely is it that I would scan all 3 scum in a row, under such circumstances? Also strange is the change in Myrd's demeanor since dcmort's lynch. At first, he was quite eager to abet and protect me, but suddenly afterwards he has been out for my blood, as though he has not himself been kept well-informed of my role-actions.

So then, I will not reveal yet who it is that I scanned as Mafia last night, the third in a row - but I think Pizza was correct to surmise that the Shahnak group has been completely compromised from the outset.

Right now, we must organize to lynch Myrddraal. Tonight, I will explain who gave me my scan target for last night, and who that target was that flipped Mafia. We will attack the one who gave me the target, as a consolidated group. It will not succeed in killing them, but there will be a useful side-effect.

I will explain more later.


Appendix (Standing Scan Results)
Italicized are the scans I think have been spoofed

1: Visorslash, Shahnak Town, no action
2: Pizza, Firnaz Town, protects Visorslash
3: Kage, Town, protects Montmorency
4: DCMort, Mafia, does nothing, attacked Montmorency previous night
5: Edse, Mafia, Visorslash's killer
6: , Mafia, Pizza's killer

Why did you send this to five people you haven't scanned? Did you just send it to everyone except Myrddraal? If he's mafia why did you redact your scan result, are there more than three?

Well, if my hunch is correct, then the Mafia will simply feed the results that they want to justify mislynches, and when they are satisfied they will get rid of me; this is my countermove. And of course, everyone I have scanned town is dead.

To elaborate on the first message, I think that DCMort was a legitimate scan, and the Mafia just didn't know to interfere with me yet, or didn't think it necessary. The result I got for DCMort was that he was Mafia aligned, had done nothing that night, and had attacked me the previous night. This all makes good sense, and certainly we can see that I was attacked by one person who doesn't seem to have shown up in any other writeups. I believe DCMort was the god Shahnak - god of the skies. Firnaz and Armouz would then be the killers of Kagemusha and Visorslash, and they are the ones I think are fooling me right now.

Look at the mentions of "the sea" and other identifying keywords in the kill writeups. I speculate Ironside was attacked first by Firnaz (god of death) and then by Armouz (god of sea). BSmith was killed by Armouz. In other words, the white-haired attacker should be Armouz.

Besides lynching Myrd, the idea is to mass an attack on the other individual whom I suspect (I will reveal this tonight). The attack will not succeed in killing the target, but that isn't the point. I want them to know that they will be attacked, and that the attack will somehow weaken or incriminate them. Just know that if I die, they will be conclusively shown as scum, and if my whole scenario here is misconceived then no harm, no foul. The target comes to no harm, the scan result I am concealing for now will be widely known, and that individual can be lynched without a problem as probable final-scum.

[landlubber]

2. There should be a total of 5 attackers on GH in the writeup.

There was someone missing, but Monty seems to have accounted for that person. The writeup mentions 5 people, just like Monty wanted it to.

[Zack]

GAMBIT SCHEMA CONTINGENCY BROADCAST

1. If I die at the hands of a single attacker, then it cannot have been Nightbringer.

2. There should be a total of 5 attackers on GH in the writeup.

3. My scenarios for remaining scum: El Barto + Nightbringer; Sooh; GH

1. Only one attacker from what I can tell, ergo not Nightbringer (and by extension El Barto, though he only notes Nightbringer here for whatever reason). So why is lubber voting Barto?

2. I don't understand why Monty expected there to only be five attackers on GH. Six people sent in orders, and out of his provided list of possible scum, only Nightbringer was involved in the attack.

3. Scan implicates sooh, message I quoted in #573 implicates GH.

Vote: sooh

[Zack]

There was someone missing, but Monty seems to have accounted for that person. The writeup mentions 5 people, just like Monty wanted it to.

I realize that, but I don't know why and he didn't publicly reveal that there were actually six people sending in orders, so I'm letting people know.

[Zack]

The Monty kill is weird to me. There were people feuding with him and calling for his head, and killing him only lends credence to his scans. It makes no sense for sooh to kill Monty, except in a wifom-y move.

A Monty kill suggests:
a) sooh is not mafia - in which case monty's scan is misleading and why kill him
b) sooh is mafia and has a partner she is afraid of being scanned
c) sooh is the lone remaining mafia and did not really think the kill through

[Zack]

a) sooh is not mafia - in which case monty's scan is misleading and why kill him

And before anyone counters that it gives the scan credibility and results in a mislynch, leaving a false scanner alive results in mislynches, plural. So if sooh is not mafia, a Monty kill is shortsighted. I find a kill motivated by either fear (of monty scanning the other partner) or revenge more likely. In any case I think sooh is the right lynch here.

[Sooh]

Yes, it does seem the intent is to implicate me. Either that or the kill yesterDay nullified the usefulness of Monty for the mafia. Perhaps they can't trick his scans anymore?

Vote: GH

He was another who knew who Monty was going to scan at night from what I've been able to find out. It doesn't fully make sense to me, but it's a lead perhaps?

[Zack]

Oh wait are there third parties. shit

[Zack]

Clearly someone was afraid of future scans

[Sooh]

If there is a third party, would they have hidden within the various religious groups? It might be a good way to hide themselves, however if they can't perform actions with them because they don't really belong to the religion it could account for so many actions failing or being nullified.

[Ituralde]

This is the second time a supposed power role could not be protected. I think there's two possibilites for this:

1.: This is just a feature of power roles in this game of Mafia.
2.: The Mafia have an ability to negate protections, which they can use every second night.

This would explain why the Mafia waited with their attack on Montmorency one additional night.
I don't really know what to make of Montmorencys stipulations prior to his death. Was this meant to show us, whom he scanned after Sooh?

Either way Sooh and GH both appear on his list. I'm still acting according to my previous post on the matter. Following my cases 1 and 2.
That means Sooh and GH both have to die. Starting from the top:

Vote: Sooh

[GeneralHankerchief]

Random thoughts/observations, not really listed in any particular order:

1. Monty PM'd me last night, requesting protection. After some serious internal doubts (mostly based off my displeasure of how the last day phase went down), I decided to abide by his request, though I didn't tell him.

2. Both Ituralde and Sooh PM'd me separately last night, wondering about a night action.

3. I was initially planning on grouping up with just Ituralde and autolycus and protecting somebody random.

4. The ultimate group ended up being myself, Ituralde, autolycus, and Sooh, protecting Monty (we basically just drafted autolycus in, but he did CC orders). All four of us are theoretically accounted for in the writeup.

5. 11 people alive as of last night (10 now). Five people were attacking me. Four were protecting Monty. There was Monty's attacker. Presumably, Monty was off scanning rather than attacking me (though could someone who attacked me please confirm that?). That's eleven.

6. Operating under the ASSUMPTION that the general principles of townie actions in these games holds and no individual can attack and/or protect more than one target at night, we need to find our missing attacker.

7. Please note that the assumption listed under 6 is just that, an assumption, and it's convenient for us at best but is by no means guaranteed to actually hold.

8. If the assumption under 6 does hold, then we simply need to find our missing link. In this case, the Shahnak Four of myself, Ituralde, autolycus, and Sooh are accounted for. I don't know the exact makeup of the group that attacked me, and if Monty's scenarios under his "gambit schema contingency broadcast" are correct, the evidence points most clearly to El Barto.

9. In case I haven't made this clear yet, I would really like to know the names of everybody in the group that attacked me.

10. I really don't think it's that simple.

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Now we're starting to venture more into the realm of conjecture.

11. Let's assume that El Barto was the person Monty left out in his group of five. Who was the sixth person that Zack referred to?

12. Putting that line of discussion out of mind for the time being (though by no means should we forget about it entirely), my pet theory is that Barto simply didn't do anything at night, much as he claims he has done all game.

13. Please keep in mind that point 12 will be most likely rendered invalid by clarification from Zack/someone else. MOVING ON THOUGH.

14. I don't think it's that cut-and-dried. khaan didn't quite reach his stated goal of 25 players, which meant he would probably have to do some rebalancing, but this is the same person who singlehandedly wrecked the .Org's metagame in 2008 in Netherworld 1 by including a third party role that completely fooled the town and ensured that third party roles would never be trusted on this forum again. He's included these types of roles in pretty much every single non-vanilla game he's ever hosted. There's going to be a third party role here.

15. It might have been Kage. He could have withheld some of his more sinister abilities when revealing to Myrd and Pizza(?) among others. Let's assume otherwise though.

16. I believe that the chances are high that the third party role - if it's still alive - and our last mafioso are working together in some capacity, though whether it's a formal alliance or a temporary partnership remains to be seen.

17. The town still has a weapon of sorts: There are still four active Shahnaks. If we all stay alive, we could vig someone at night. Potentially clear out the Nightbringer/El Barto kerfluffle by lynching one today and killing the other at night.

18. Screw that.

19. We have a guilty result on Sooh. We don't know if it's spoofed or not.

20. Everything Zack has posted since the phase ended, especially in regards to motives for killing Monty, makes sense.

21. Once again, there were enough people protecting the victim to theoretically make him safe at night.

22. Once again, as per the Visor kill, the reason the protection failed is because the protection got nullified in some fashion.

23. Evidence is mounting that this is not a passive trait. This is far more likely to be a weapon in the hands of one scum or another.

24. Sooh, once again, appears to be unaware of why the target she was supposed to be protecting is still dead:

And a protect group of four failed because ???

25. It was made abundantly clear in the feedback PM I received why Monty is dead. It was the exact same reason why Visor died.

26. The logical conclusion is that Sooh was off doing something nefarious that superseded her supposed protection of Monty. Maybe she can possess somebody to show up but not have them be effective (khaan's had those roles before). Maybe she was there but it wasn't her primary action and thus it doesn't count.

27. Combine the above with Sooh's guilty scan, plus everything that Zack and Monty mentioned, and I think we have our scum, or at least, somebody who definitely needs to be dead.

Vote: Sooh

[GeneralHankerchief]

Further food for thought that I'm not going to overanalyze just yet:

Csargo voted for El Barto long after he died:

Vote:El Barto

lulz

This was the round edse was eventually lynched. It also counted.

"Do we have any final words before we send dear Edse here to the afterlife?" Kavehir requested of the audience.

"No...." A spectral voice rang out as the spirit of Csargo shimmered back into being, his form a violet outline of his mortal form. It raised an accusatory finger at El Barto. "Him..." The scribe looked to the emperor in shock at the development.

"Do.... does that count, my lord?"

Kavehir was stunned as well, but gathered himself with a shake of his head. "Yes, yes it does! It seems our work is not yet done! The dead have spoken! Continue onwards, find us the most guilty party of all!"

Official pre-tiebreak tally from that round:

El Barto 3(GoldenKnight, landlubber, Csargo)

Csargo's reaction:

I'd take my vote back if I could.

Could spin this either way. Mafia looking to save edse (lending credence to a dcmort/edse/Sooh scumteam). Mafia looking to save Barto (lending credence to a dcmort/Barto/Nightbringer? team), possibly by use of reverse psychology. Someone protown. Third party looking to set up a cult or something. A troll, maybe. Not dealing with it right now, but good to know.

[Sooh]

Alright. It seems like I will be the lynch today. Basically I've ended up in a position that needs to be resolved. Even if you can see no other conceivable lynch today I would still like for you to consider who is next in line for tomorrow.

I am not privy to most of the information Monty may have left behind unless it has all been posted in this thread. I hope some of you can clarify: Why are Nightbringer and El Barto linked together when the other suspects Monty had are not? Why are these people specifically his suspects? Do you know why the rest of the list are clear? Obviously you all know your own role, but Myrdraal, whose scans were less than perfect, still doesn't mention any of them in his post. Was it because they weren't part of some network that could have manipulated or blocked him or what was it?

From thread actions alone I have found it extremely hard to find likely suspects, and similarly to clear other people. My vote is on GH, because he has been eager about my lynch for a while, possibly because he set it up for it to happen. I originally suspected Myrdraal of being the source of Monty's misinformation, but GH also had information from the inner circles as far as I know.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why are Nightbringer and El Barto linked together when the other suspects Monty had are not? Why are these people specifically his suspects? Do you know why the rest of the list are clear?

For the sake of openness, I do not know the answer to any of these questions, though I would certainly appreciate clarification as well.

Obviously you all know your own role, but Myrdraal, whose scans were less than perfect, still doesn't mention any of them in his post.

This is confusing. To my knowledge, Myrddraal was a regular, Shahnak-worshipping townie. Unless you mean Monty?

From thread actions alone I have found it extremely hard to find likely suspects, and similarly to clear other people.

GIGANTIC scumtell here.

I originally suspected Myrdraal of being the source of Monty's misinformation, but GH also had information from the inner circles as far as I know.

Let's put this out in the open. My "loop" consisted of various one-on-one conversations with Myrddraal, Pizza, and Monty. I had a brief conversation with Myrddraal early on when I gained his trust via my volunteering to be attacked in the Shahnak group. This reignited a couple of phases before his death when the game was heating up. Pizza and I started chatting the day that dcmort was eventually lynched. I was going hard after someone else (possibly Sooh) and he let me know about the guilty result on dcmort. Monty claimed scanner to me in private the round edse was lynched when, at the time, I was gunning hard for him.

If you'll notice, all three of them are dead. Monty and Myrd turned on each other, and Pizza got nightkilled. I don't have any "loop" anymore. I was also left out of Monty's GAMBIT OPERATION ALPHA SIGMA THETA or whatever aside from him rather flippantly PMing me to ensure that he'd have protection at night. Everything I know about his latest plan comes from information gleaned in the thread and I would still love to know who all was part of it and to what extent.

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Finally, Sooh, you're avoiding the issue here. I'm not going after you because of a scan, although that certainly helps. I'm going after you because twice now, your initial reaction to the nightkills does not match up with the feedback PMs, from the host, that you should have received. At all.

Ituralde knew why the protections on Visor and Monty failed. Myrddraal knew. You didn't.

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Sooh.

[Zack]

GH, I already provided the list of names: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053672700 it was my first post this phase

[Zack]

I guess we can assume Monty was the one who didn't participate in the attack, but then I don't get why he went to the trouble of including himself in the first place.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ah, must've glossed over that one when looking at your PM exchange with Monty.

Best option I can think is that Monty "included" himself so as to deter people from bailing out - i.e. the attempt was going through regardless.

There's also the possibility that Monty actually *was* present for the attack and one of the other five skipped out to kill him in the other part of the writeup. Seems too rudimentary though, and I think Monty would've rather had another scan in.

Still uncertain as to why he singled out Nightbringer and Barto.

[Zack]

I think Nightbringer, me, and Barto were the only ones unaccounted for on the night everyone protected Visor. For whatever reason Monty did not suspect me out of those three.

[johnhughthom]

Nothing to add but Vote:Sooh

[El Barto]

Right. There were five of us, just like Monty said there should have been.

vote:El Barto.

COMBAT OPERANDI: REFERENCE

See post #558. Anyone who knows his Hussie will understand me.

4. The ultimate group ended up being myself, Ituralde, autolycus, and Sooh, protecting Monty (we basically just drafted autolycus in, but he did CC orders). All four of us are theoretically accounted for in the writeup.

5. 11 people alive as of last night (10 now). Five people were attacking me. Four were protecting Monty. There was Monty's attacker. Presumably, Monty was off scanning rather than attacking me (though could someone who attacked me please confirm that?). That's eleven.

Yes, but given that I did not participate in any actions whatsoever (the people in those groups can confirm it), then your numbers do not add up. 11 people: you and Monty plus five attacking you and four guarding him… plus me, 12.

27. Combine the above with Sooh's guilty scan, plus everything that Zack and Monty mentioned, and I think we have our scum, or at least, somebody who definitely needs to be dead.

Vote: Sooh

COMBAT OPERANDI: ELECTIONS

Vote: Sooh

Vote: Sooh.

Nothing to add but Vote:Sooh

Incidentally, what have these two voting lurkers been up to?

[El Barto]

OOC: I had to fix some broken tags in the post above so vote:Sooh.

[seireikhaan]

Writeup in progress.

[seireikhaan]

For the first time in a while, the inquisition's efforts were singularly driven, focused, and solemn. As soon as it was reconvened, attention was shone upon Sooh, with several people claiming documents from the deceased Montmorency proved that Sooh wass, in fact, the guilty party attempting to destroy the royal family. Sooh, naturally, protested, but a stream of accusations continued forth. When the sun was finally ready to set, Sooh was presented to Emperor Kavehir.

"This is ludicrous," Sooh protested as the gathering circled around.

"Yes, yes, we get it," Kavehir spoke down to Sooh. "You think this pronouncement of your guilt absurd. Yet, all gathered seem to believe the evidence. So," he continued, drawing his longsword. "It is time-"

"No, not that," Sooh sneered. "After all, that would not be inaccurate," Sooh casually said. "What is absurd is that this pathetic mortal thinks to strike me down!" Sooh's eyes blazed a shimmering silver, and a blast of wind emanated, knocking down those gathered around. With ease, Sooh leaped to the stage where Kavehir hosted executions, a long, curved blade drawn.

"You blaspheming mortal, you and your family have called down upon yourselves the wrath of the heavens!" Sooh proclaimed in a booming voice. "The end of days is upon you. The age of Shahnak is dawned! The other gods were too weak-willed, but I will restore order. Now die!" Sooh lunged forward with a strike against the Emperor, sinking the edge into his shoulder. The Emperor glared back at Sooh, grasped the blade in his shoulder with his right hand, and yanked it out. A golden glow began to swirl around Kavehir.

"You think me and my family just mere mortals?" He asked, eyes glaring dangerously at Sooh. "I am Kavehir, son of Ensehir, descendant of Baharash, He Who Creates. I am no mortal, but a demi-god! This is my rightful place, as ruler of this world, and none will take it from me!" He flung Sooh's blade to the side and advanced slowly, sending a panicking Sooh walking backwards. In a flash, he was in front of Sooh, and in an instant, impaled Sooh with his blade, straight into the chest. The golden glow from Kavehir wrapped around them both, glowing brighter until none could see the two up upon the stage.

When it dissipated, Emperor Kavehir was alone, Sooh unable to be seen anywhere. He looked down upon the Inquisition with a bashful smile and scratched the back of his head. "Well, I suppose that little secret is out. We'd been rather hoping to not anger the gods with that announcement, but it seems we're well beyond that, I suppose, aren't we?" The nobles chuckled a bit at the Emperor's attitude about the whole deal. "Still, I know many of you here worshipped Shahnak.... Can I count on your support, even still?"

"Yes, my lord!" A chorus rang back to him uniformly.

"Excellent, excellent! Well, I am very confident now that we are nearly in the clear! Let us rest tonight, and be ready for victory tomorrow! Well done, inquisition!"







Sooh 5 (Zack, Ituralde, GH, GoldenKnight, El Barto)
GH 1 (Sooh)
El Barto 1 (Landlubber)



Alive:


Autolycus
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
Golden1Knight
Ituralde
Johnhughtom
Landlubber
Nightbringer
Zack


Lynched:

Abstain (D1)
Andres (D2)
ACIN (D3)
Dcmort(D4)
Edse(D5)
Myrddraal(D6)
Sooh (D7)

Killed:

Csargo (D1)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N3)
Kagemusha(N4)
Visorslash (N5)
Askthepizzaguy(N6)
Montmorency(N7)

Attacked:

Ironside (N1)
Golden1Knight (N2)
Montmorency(N3)
Ituralde(N4)
GeneralHankerchief(N7)

[Zack]

Did Monty say who he planned to scan?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have a really bad feeling about this.

-edit- Not to me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, senseless panic is over, rationality is kicking in. I don't think khaan would have tipped his hand regarding Sooh's identity and Kavehir's powers like this if the game was still to be ongoing, or at the very least not entering a new phase (and I don't mean night/day). Think we're done after tonight, for better or for worse.