The Inquisition [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

So we should quit with the Sooh bashing and lynch a scum. Capice, GH?]

Did I hit a nerve?

Unvote: Sooh
Vote: dcmort

[Askthepizzaguy]

According to you I haven't acted like town during Pirate Ship either, and I was town there.

Meaningless, utterly meaningless.

I will have your entire team, I swear it. Rest assured Ituralde, I'm not playing around this time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did I hit a nerve?

Unvote: Sooh
Vote: dcmort

She may very well be scum.

But dcmort is scum and directly responsible for Kagemusha's death. And Ituralde is flapping in the breeze essentially outed as well.

That's one firnazian and one shanak, and if I were Khaan, I wouldn't put the third one inside the Armouz. It's too predictable a setup.

I am willing to wager there's one more shanak scum. Sooh can be the place we start looking, after Ituralde. Not before, my friend.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But the numbers on the protections would seem to indicate against either you or Sooh being involved.

I'll explain via PM.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I agree that dcmort is a good lynch for today, but I don't want to lock ourselves into the next two voting rounds without further discussion.

Assuming what you said is true, then the mafia essentially served up dcmort's head on a silver platter for us. Abandoning a protection group is one thing, but not even bothering to CC fake orders? And not only openly abandoning the protection group, but directly attacking that group's target, therefore making said abandonment public? Either they decided that Kage really needed to die and basically sacrificed a scum (a trade that almost is never worth it unless a more important scum is at risk) to ensure it, or something else is at play.

Call it conditioning, but I almost don't want to believe that we got this lucky.

[Myrddraal]

Not even cc'ing fake orders seems odd, but perhaps he was going to claim it was an accident? In any case, it's worth a crack:
Vote: dcmort

[edse]

He hasn't made a post since the 6th though. He also said this about weekends:

Also, there is a very big possibility that I will be very busy with work near the end of the week. Thus my participation may be a bit limited or lacking focus. Shouldn't need a replacement though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note he has been away from the game thread and didn't respond to personal communications for a while. But did the night prior.

This tells me it was a planned absence, intended to give an explanation as to why he wasn't there. So it was a plan of action set a day in advance. It's plausible to get away with it assuming that period of inactivity.

That had to be the game plan. It didn't work because we correctly assumed something about the game setup.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He hasn't made a post since the 6th though. He also said this about weekends:

Yeah, that's giving all the heads up you need to not be involved in the protect. When night falls on a weekend, he can simply not send in the order, which was the same order night after night.

Just happened to be on the same night the mafia used two folks to strike Kage. It's no coincidence.

Planned action, alibi posted in thread, deliberate concerted effort by the scum faction just when they knew he would have an excuse to not protect Kage, on the same night.

The mafia knew he was being protected by multiple sources. But they cannot have known to strike Kage when they did unless one of the Firnazian were going to pull the protection on purpose. So it was set up in advance. Now they could kill Kage and plausibly explain why dcmort wasn't guilty for doing so.

And furthermore, Kage was worth it. He could increase in power and eventually protect on his own or kill on his own. So that is why they needed to break the protection group.

You give the scums something they want, and they will take it.

I was always going to look at Golden and dcmort with a hairy eyeball, but being away during the critical night to protect Kage would have always gotten my vote on dcmort. I just wouldn't have had proof.

[El Barto]

Alright, if anyone wants me to vote for anyone else (or themselves), just write to me, here or in private. *yawns*

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's a bunch of Shanak that I think are townies.

Would you (Shanak) folks look inside your own cult and give your top 2 names for scums inside that cult?

I don't need reasons or cases, just your indication that you think infiltrator(s) could be contained within those 2 names.

[Visor]

There's a bunch of Shanak that I think are townies.

Would you (Shanak) folks look inside your own cult and give your top 2 names for scums inside that cult?

I don't need reasons or cases, just your indication that you think infiltrator(s) could be contained within those 2 names.

My initial reaction was Ituralde because he's an active guy in an inactive game which always smells funny (having been the mafia in that situation plenty of times )

Autolycus possibly - he's shown a reasonable amount of interest in this game, though that could simply be town judging by his scum performances in recent games.

Said more than he normally does anyway, and did organise the shahnaks.

Possibly Myrddraal? He keeps trying to protect you, and I think its a wasted protection - scum organising false actions.

Iron and GH i felt are town, GH asked to be killed and all the orders bar mine had been sent in, so that would've worked (if i sent in orders, which i wasnt going to).

So, Sooh, Myrd, Itur basically

[GeneralHankerchief]

Food for thought:

Nobody outside of the Shahnak Three who attempted to protect Kage knew that we were going to do this. Would this make it more or less likely that a leak from Shahnak would have come from one of us, considering that Kage was apparently a super-powerful role that the mafia really needed dead?

[Montmorency]

Heads up - on the third night (the night I was attacked), Visor got me and Ituralde to join him for a protection on Kage.

So Visor or Ituralde would be the candidates to realize that Kage was the PR. The scum would have said:

"Oh, I was supposed to protect Kage last night", and one of his mates - probably DC - would say, "Hey, wait, Kage is being protected tonight again - we gotta take him out".

[Zack]

Vote: dcmort93 I guess.

Thanks for the game everyone!

Keep mushin that kage in the heavens.

[Zack]

Ituralde, what do you think of the lurkers around here, such as JHT and DCMort?

What am I, chopped liver? Do I at least come with fava beans and a nice Chianti?

[Montmorency]

What am I, chopped liver? Do I at least come with fava beans and a nice Chianti?

This isn't the game anymore, so I feel comfortable with telling you this to your face:

I don't drink alcohol.

[Zack]

Do I at least come with fava beans a nice Snapple?

[Askthepizzaguy]

My initial reaction was Ituralde because he's an active guy in an inactive game which always smells funny (having been the mafia in that situation plenty of times )

Autolycus possibly - he's shown a reasonable amount of interest in this game, though that could simply be town judging by his scum performances in recent games.

Said more than he normally does anyway, and did organise the shahnaks.

Possibly Myrddraal? He keeps trying to protect you, and I think its a wasted protection - scum organising false actions.

Iron and GH i felt are town, GH asked to be killed and all the orders bar mine had been sent in, so that would've worked (if i sent in orders, which i wasnt going to).

So, Sooh, Myrd, Itur basically

Autolycus looks good for his voting record.

Myrd is okay in my opinion, I know why I'm being protected. I suggested it.

GH is town, imo.

[landlubber]

vote:dcmort is a fine option.

[Visor]

This should solve a few things.

I am the Shahnak power role, I can alignment scan someone.

Since I fear for my safety I'll reveal my results:
n1 GH town
N2 atpg town
n3 protect kage
n4 dcmort scum

I get no n0 scan, pretty unfair otherwise

[GeneralHankerchief]

An alignment scanner in a khaan game? There has to be more to it than that.

-edit- And without tiered results even?

[Visor]

An alignment scanner in a khaan game? There has to be more to it than that.

-edit- And without tiered results even?

With no role reveals? Fair enough IMO.

[Sooh]

Vote: dcmort

He didn't even forward the orders?

Btw, N1 Ironside was attacked by a single attacker. The musty smelling one. That attack failed, and Ironside didn't have protection. N2 there was an attack on BSmith with a single attacker and that one worked. Still no protection. N3, Ironside again, no protection, successful kill. Same night, Monty had protection and the attack didn't work.

It seems the mafia need two attackers to penetrate a protection group, or perhaps it's got something to do with random chance since N1 the Ironside kill didn't work. Perhaps if dcmort knew of Kage's importance they didn't want to leave it to chance that he was killed, so they doubled up?

[Montmorency]

It's been popping up here and there, so just to avoid confusion:

There have been four night phases so far, including the one we began with. Khaan called it N0 at first, then after a round or two he began referring to N0 as N1.

In other words, with the current convention we have finished N4 and are on D4. It's OK if you interpret it as four typical rounds, but with Night coming before Day.


Now, Visor: why would you reveal that? If you're a PR, then you've been doing well by lying low and keeping off scum radar. I'm not sure town has the ability to pull off any more double-protections, unless some Armouz come out of the woodwork.

If DC is down for the count, and Ituralde likely to go tomorrow - and assuming they're both scum - then you would have been better off keeping quiet, leaving the lone mafioso forced to kill the protection groups before he could reach you.

You could have gotten more scans in.

[Visor]

Revealing now forces mafia to kill me - forces town to protect me, so basically mafia have to kill people so that I can't be protected

unless they want to double stack, which then outs a ton of people as town because there are only two left.

So yeah, revealing now means we can narrow our PoE.

[Ituralde]

Heads up - on the third night (the night I was attacked), Visor got me and Ituralde to join him for a protection on Kage.

So Visor or Ituralde would be the candidates to realize that Kage was the PR. The scum would have said:

"Oh, I was supposed to protect Kage last night", and one of his mates - probably DC - would say, "Hey, wait, Kage is being protected tonight again - we gotta take him out".

On the third night I was indeed protecting Kagemusha. But it was together with Myrddraal and Montmorency.
I was the one who suggested protecting Kagemusha or Montmorency to Myrddraal, because they voted last on the previous day. Same as BSmith voting last the day before and he was killed the night after.

So nice try covering your tracks Montmorency, but trying to accuse Visor or me with false facts - doesn't make you look less suspicious!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay everybody, raise your hand if you haven't protected Kagemusha at any point during this game.

[johnhughthom]

Okay everybody, raise your hand if you haven't protected Kagemusha at any point during this game.

Vote: dcmort

[autolycus]

vote:dcmort