France Shoot-Out

[Fragony]

No need to comment really as there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it anyway. RIP victims.

[Hax]

Context.

So far twelve dead at a shooting at Charlie Hebdo's (a satirical newspaper) headquarters. Masked men carrying machine guns were seen entering the building.

[Fragony]

Who needs context, it is what it is and that's just about it. There is only one thing that has nothing to do with it.

[InsaneApache]

[Kadagar_AV]

The "Religion of peace" aint nothing to **** with!!

Muslims do what muslims do... Sad, of course, but true.

[Kadagar_AV]

Warning: Video on the site I link to shows extreme violence.

I don't know what to say... "Barbaric" comes to mind... I dont think I would ever have it in me, shooting an already wounded man, who holds up his hands and pleads for his life.

I wonder if the terrorists take drugs to overcome their own humanity, or if their religious belief just pump them into enough of a frenzy for these kind of actions to take place...



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2be_1420632685

[Fragony]

You are military, could you do that shot when running, right in his head.

second shooter, I put in ten

[Don Corleone]

Very sorry to hear of this tragedy. Recriminations can wait. Condolences and prayers for the victims and their families. Very sad.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Very sorry to hear of this tragedy. Recriminations can wait. Condolences and prayers for the victims and their families. Very sad.

Tragedies are accidents, this is a massacre.

I'm very sorry that this happened but I cannot help but feel that French Security Services should have seen this coming.

[Kadagar_AV]

They seem to have had police protection... hence the dead policemen...

What should be required to have a free press? Full on SWAT teams and rabbid Rottweilers guarding the premise?

There is only ONE, I say it again, ONE side to blame here. Islam..

[Greyblades]

Because islam is obviously a single unified and conforming group that have no divergance in opinion or methodology whose members can all be considered culpabale for the actions of a few.

[Hax]

Because islam is obviously a single unified and conforming group that have no divergance in opinion or methodology whose members can all be considered culpabale for the actions of a few.

Actually, when you conrevert to Islam they take out your brains and instead install a chip that makes you subservient to a sattelite that is floating somewhere in space directly above Mecca. They put the receiver in the Ka'aba. Some people have spy chips that enable them to hide their true nature and that's called taqiyya. It's a proven true fact.

[Kadagar_AV]

Because islam is obviously a single unified and conforming group that have no divergance in opinion or methodology whose members can all be considered culpabale for the actions of a few.

That's a stupid argument.

I am well aware that muslims are not all terrorists.. But enough are for me to not want them around me or the people I hold dear. Why? Because **** like this happens when you start letting too many muslims in.

Let them sort out their own ****ed up cultures and religion first, before we let them spread that cancer here in the west.

Yes I am harsh. It's because I have had to many bad experiences with muslims in my life. That's just how it is.

[Montmorency]

Once again, the problem is not the religion per se of Muslim immigrants, but of their social conservativism.

Ultimately, the most damage done will be through the accelerating regression of our native and relatively-tame right-wings as a direct consequence of contact.

As seen on this forum...

[Fragony]

Ya. Of course it isn't simply the islam, leftist intellectuals would be wrong, and there is no arab spring, inconveivable.

[Gilrandir]

Because islam is obviously a single unified and conforming group that have no divergance in opinion or methodology whose members can all be considered culpabale for the actions of a few.

They have at least two major (Shia and Sunni) and perhaps more minor groups.

[Kadagar_AV]

They have at least two major (Shia and Sunni) and perhaps more minor groups.

You want a cookie, or what are you aiming at there?

Just stating the obvious?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's a stupid argument.

I am well aware that muslims are not all terrorists.. But enough are for me to not want them around me or the people I hold dear. Why? Because **** like this happens when you start letting too many muslims in.

Let them sort out their own ****ed up cultures and religion first, before we let them spread that cancer here in the west.

Yes I am harsh. It's because I have had to many bad experiences with muslims in my life. That's just how it is.

By the same token one might say Catholics are inclined to terrorism because of the IRA.

[Kadagar_AV]

By the same token one might say Catholics are inclined to terrorism because of the IRA.

It is long known that religion is the greatest cause for fanaticism, yes.

I do however find it unfair towards catholicism as of today, to use a nations problem to highlight it, some decades after it was a real problem.

That's really not comparable to the wave of Islamic terror we see all over the world.

IRA didn't try and blow up my fiancée, muslims did. In fact, how often have IRA acted outside of the Irish border?


Very weak argument PVC, I expect better of you.

[HopAlongBunny]

The Catholics are clearly terrorists: IRA, Crusades, Inquisition (all Iterations)
Not to be confused with the good Christians who simply murdered doctors for carrying out a legal procedure...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It is long known that religion is the greatest cause for fanaticism, yes.

I do however find it unfair towards catholicism as of today, to use a nations problem to highlight it, some decades after it was a real problem.

That's really not comparable to the wave of Islamic terror we see all over the world.

IRA didn't try and blow up my fiancée, muslims did. In fact, how often have IRA acted outside of the Irish border?


Very weak argument PVC, I expect better of you.

They blew up a bunch of pubs in Birmingham - we're talking a real nasty group of people here, really, really, nasty. Blew a 15-year old boy's hand off using a bomb inside a torch - blinded him too.

They didn't go in for suicide because they're Catholics but pretty much anything else was fine.

It's not "Islam" that causes these terrorist attacks any more than it's "Catholicism" that sustained the IRA. Having said that it's a well known fact that some Irish Catholic clergy gave tacit support and shelter to the terrorists during the "troubles".

It's a particular brand of Islam, a particular theological school, that breeds these terrorists. More interesting is that they breed primarily among second and third generation immigrants in Western countries and among the wealthy and elite in the Middle East.

[Kralizec]

Awful. I hope they catch the perpetrators, and soon.

My condoleances to the victims' families and the people of Paris.

[Brenus]

They will be hunted. The lucky one(s) will see a court.

I am Charlie. Never like it before (agreed with the idea, not with the style of the drawings) but Je suis Charlie.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It wasn't a very good magazine so far as I know.

I assume this will kill the paper though, that many dead people in the office is going to punch a hole right through the organisation.

So, really, the sad thing is that whatever happens those gunmen probably got what they wanted and they don't care if they live or die.

[Papewaio]

Absolutely horrible.

I see reports that the local Muslim population is condemning the attack:
"France's five-million-strong Muslim population is Europe's largest.

"I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this," said Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in the northern Paris suburb of Seine-Saint-Denis." -abc news Australia

I hope the solidarity increases after this.

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Satire is the avenue that allows the man on the street to make barbed political comments on the establishment be it politicians, aristocrats, Royals or religion. Satire is a foundation piece of freedom of speech.

I am Charlie.

[rickinator9]

This is sad. People aren't even able to express their own opinion these days without getting shot.

I hope this isn't just the final straw for me. I will be voting for the party of Geert Wilders in the next parliamentary elections.

[Kadagar_AV]

They blew up a bunch of pubs in Birmingham - we're talking a real nasty group of people here, really, really, nasty. Blew a 15-year old boy's hand off using a bomb inside a torch - blinded him too.

They didn't go in for suicide because they're Catholics but pretty much anything else was fine.

It's not "Islam" that causes these terrorist attacks any more than it's "Catholicism" that sustained the IRA. Having said that it's a well known fact that some Irish Catholic clergy gave tacit support and shelter to the terrorists during the "troubles".

It's a particular brand of Islam, a particular theological school, that breeds these terrorists. More interesting is that they breed primarily among second and third generation immigrants in Western countries and among the wealthy and elite in the Middle East.

Catholicism has a LOT to answer for. Have you READ me on these boards? I don't dispute that.

It's however completely wrong to liken it to Islam.

This magazine has made satire about catholics and jews... about buddhists and ortodox... Yet it's only those damn muslim fanatics who take offense enough to burn their office, and later kill them.

This really isn't comparable (in this modern time), and I have no idea why you keep up the charade.

Islam is where catholicism was some 700 years ago, sure.

But you know, over here in the western world that was 700 YEARS AGO... We had this whole enlightenment thingy, revolutions, democracy...

They have made it as far as to revolutions, but they seem to end in even worse Islamic **** than previously.

Stop defending stupid people of a murderous religion. Would you so mind.

[Kralizec]

I hope this isn't just the final straw for me. I will be voting for the party of Geert Wilders in the next parliamentary elections.

Why

Now that I think of it, if you already intend to vote PVV, what would the last straw lead to?

[rickinator9]

Why

Now that I think of it, if you already intend to vote PVV, what would the last straw lead to?

Wilders cares. The governing parties don't do anything about the threat Islam and the returnees from Syria pose. I believe Wilders would do anything to stop terrorists from returning here. I believe that he would do something about the ungrateful immigrants that became criminals. I believe that he would do something against the cultural enclaves of the "Religion of Peace".

I said voting for Wilders is a consequence of this last straw. I may have worded that incorrectly.

[Beskar]