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    Something happened in California. The motive isn't determined yet. Whatever the motive is, it's terrorism for sure.


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    Not much is known yet but it certainly looks like it. This is something we will just have go get used to, especially in Europe but also in the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not much is known yet but it certainly looks like it. This is something we will just have go get used to, especially in Europe but also in the USA
    I predict that it could count for as much as 0.2%% of the traffic deaths each year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    I predict that it could count for as much as 0.2%% of the traffic deaths each year.
    Sure, but it does have a greater impact, there is a difference, an accident is just that, but this is senseless murder. Not implying anything yet but you probably know what I expect it to be. For now only RIP victims and condolences to their family and friends.

    Edit, more is known by now, it was indeed a radicalised muslim, one at least. Know what you welcome I'd say, not just for us but also for your Turkish baker.
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    Salience is everything for humans. If we are bombarded with alarming stories about terrorism, we think it's more important.

    Is this terrorism? Yeah of course it is. Just like the hundreds of other US mass murders are. But these are brown mass murderers with muslim names. They are, in media terms, different and more scary.

    Personally, if I was American, I would be no more afraid of brown terrorist mass murderers, than the usual sort. In the end they are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Salience is everything for humans. If we are bombarded with alarming stories about terrorism, we think it's more important.

    Is this terrorism? Yeah of course it is. Just like the hundreds of other US mass murders are. But these are brown mass murderers with muslim names. They are, in media terms, different and more scary.

    Personally, if I was American, I would be no more afraid of brown terrorist mass murderers, than the usual sort. In the end they are the same.
    I don't understand the need to relativate an obvious kick in the nuts. How many do you need before you understand that someone is kicking you in the nuts. Radical islam is just a threat, and more attacks like in Paris (and possibly this one) are just going to happen, especially after that eastblock-workhorse Merkel with her messias-complex welcomed them to travel along

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I don't understand the need to relativate an obvious kick in the nuts. How many do you need before you understand that someone is kicking you in the nuts. Radical islam is just a threat, and more attacks like in Paris (and possibly this one) are just going to happen, especially after that eastblock-workhorse Merkel with her messias-complex welcomed them to travel along
    Ok - I'll run with that analogy.

    So it's like this:

    KICK - ouch
    KICK - ouch
    KICK - ouch
    KICK - ouch
    KICK - ouch - OMG! End of the world! Bomb everything! Catastrophe!
    KICK - ouch
    KICK - ouch
    KICK - ouch

    You are only singling out one particular kick in the nuts because it's high on the news agenda, and because it segways neatly into your pre-existing discourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Salience is everything for humans. If we are bombarded with alarming stories about terrorism, we think it's more important.

    Is this terrorism? Yeah of course it is. Just like the hundreds of other US mass murders are. But these are brown mass murderers with muslim names. They are, in media terms, different and more scary.

    Personally, if I was American, I would be no more afraid of brown terrorist mass murderers, than the usual sort. In the end they are the same.
    Funny that's how I see conventional vs atomic weapons. You are dead either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan View Post
    Something happened in California. The motive isn't determined yet. Whatever the motive is, it's terrorism for sure.
    Was there any point during the creation of your post at which you thought about the actual information contained in your videos or did you just want to waste my time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not much is known yet but it certainly looks like it. This is something we will just have go get used to, especially in Europe but also in the USA
    http://www.theonion.com/article/no-w...larly-ha-51938
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    While Islamic violence is indeed a subset of violence, it would be strange to suggest that any other subset of violence should have its individual characteristics and contributing factors ignored because 'violence is violence, and one sort is not of more concern than another'. What I am getting at is that when studying a subset of violence, you need both the broad and common analysis as well as the deep and comparative analysis.

    Otherwise, you simply get the inverted image of the "War on Drugs".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    While Islamic violence is indeed a subset of violence, it would be strange to suggest that any other subset of violence should have its individual characteristics and contributing factors ignored because 'violence is violence, and one sort is not of more concern than another'. What I am getting at is that when studying a subset of violence, you need both the broad and common analysis as well as the deep and comparative analysis.

    Otherwise, you simply get the inverted image of the "War on Drugs".
    In this case, it's yet another instance of someone going abroad to one of the radicalisation hotspots, and returning to wreak havok in their host country having been converted to violence. The US are free to draw their own conclusions. But I wish Europe, or at the very least UK, should bar anyone who goes to these areas from returning. If they want to be devout and radical, let them live in devout and radical countries. I prefer the UK and Europe to remain largely secular.

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