Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
But we should talk about books making people do things. And if we are wrong admit we are wrong
As I have once argued, books don't make people do things. When people take up a book of this kind, they have a system of values and beliefs already entrenched inside their mind and heart. The book only resonates with what is already there. Since Holy Books under discussion are full of controversial and mutually excluding premises he chooses those that chime with his image of the world. So blaming books is like stating that the Moon shines on its own.

Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
They go to countries that are notable for producing radicals who return to Britain and other countries to cause trouble. Christianity has dropped the idea of pilgrimage. Maybe British Muslims should think about that too.
Let's forbid people (especially the British, they seem so easily influenced by cultures they come in contact with) to go to Papua New Guinea which is notable for producing cannibals, Central Africa notable for FGM and Singapore, where you get inhumanely fined several hundred dollars for throwing a chewing gum on the ground.