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    Default Re: Russian military jet downed by Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    So maybe they were hoping it was a US plane because the US don't bomb the evil Kurds?
    Or were they hoping for a civilian plane? Does ISIS have an air force now?
    What kind of evil were they expecting? UFOs?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    @Gilrandir, That is a ball face lie. They knew full well it was Russian. That is saying that the rest of NATO never shared IFF technology with them.
    It was a prepositioned ambush, pure and simple. The aid convoy is the same propaganda used by the Russians in your country.
    A few people have told me that it is Turkish petulance over the Russian bombing of ISIS oil tanker trucks headed for Turkey. Yes, where else do you think they go to sell it?
    I'm well aware of all this and don't buy what Erdogan is selling to the world. I'm sure Turkish pilots have an explicit (though secret) order to shoot down any Russian plane which will enter the Turkish airspace for as much as 2 meters.

    But: we can't deny the fact that Russians have become notorious for their "unidentified and without any insignia" tactics, so Erdogan did what Ukrainians in the Crimea might have done with the same attempts at justification. Formally, if the Russian plane was flying with its identification system off, it was just an alien plane in the Turkish sovereign airspace. Fair game (ostensibly). Worth burning Erdogan (or his effigy) on a Simferopol square:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    I'm getting sick and tired of the double standards. Charlie Hebdo can easily pull off a page like this after the airliner was shot down in Egypt
    You may feel it is a cheap shot, but I personally feel ashamed now to have been Charlie back then.
    Like I said: ethically and morally doubtful sarcasm/mockery likely to produce a backlash from less tolerant communities.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    That in itself is not much of a problem. There will always be insensitive idiots. What is concerning is the lack of reaction. Just like there wasn't for the gunning down of a pilot. During the first gulf war, two Italian pilots were caught by the Iraqis. They appeared on Iraqi tv, slightly swollen up, and apologized to Iraqi people. There was massive outrage about the inhuman treatment. They were released later, shaken and with a few bruises, but no serious harm.
    Since then the world has been overexposed to scenes of violence, so its reaction to any more of those has grown numb. Moreover, according to Husar, any ten years that elapse since some gruesome and palpitating event reduce emotional empathy to similar events (may we call it the Husar Law? Only he will have to gave it some numerical dimension and offer a formula, something like this:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Syria is Turkey's Ukraine"
    Funny comparison.
    There are Russian military bases "all around" Turkey. Russia is expanding the EEU to countries right next to Turkey's borders. Russia is supporting a "fascist regime" in Damascus that is cracking down on ethnic Turk(men)s. Of course we should expect Erdogan to act, of course we should..
    So now we are in for Turkey's annexation of Latakia with its naval base?
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    Last edited by Gilrandir; 11-27-2015 at 16:27.
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