Another week, another mass shooting

[Hooahguy]

At least 13 are dead in Oregon after a 20 year old male shot up a community college.

RIP to all the victims.

Supposedly the shooter was on 4chan talking about the shooting beforehand, and of course the wonderful users on 4chan cheered him on. Wont link to the alleged thread because its pretty despicable.

So with the latest round of shootings and still nothing done about it from more background checks or expanding mental health care, I genuinely believe that its hopeless. As Telegraph writer Dan Hodges said back in June:

In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

[rvg]

Note how most mass shootings occur in gun-free zones like schools and colleges. Not in bars or at rap concerts.

[Hooahguy]

It actually was not a gun free zone.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It will happen again before Obama leaves.

[Papewaio]

And a year ago Sydney had a terrorist attack that resulted in three deaths...

[Hooahguy]

They identified the shooter as a 26 year old guy who seemed to be pretty fond of the IRA.

[Strike For The South]

Note how most mass shootings occur in gun-free zones like schools and colleges. Not in bars or at rap concerts.

Who the fuck carries a gun in a bar?

Also lol dogwhistle.

Good god.

I live in the most gun happy part of the most gun happy state and can garun-god-damn-tee you 99% of people don't carry in a bar.

At what point do you look in the mirror and admit to yourself that cognitive thought just isn't your bag?

[Greyblades]

Who the fuck carries a gun in a bar?

Cowboy wannabes? I think Johnny Cash wrote a song about it.

[edit]:

[Pannonian]

Who the fuck carries a gun in a bar?

Shaun?

[Tuuvi]

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34419802"]So with the latest round of shootings and still nothing done about it from more background checks or expanding mental health care, I genuinely believe that its hopeless. As Telegraph writer Dan Hodges said back in June:

I saw the headline while I was browsing the news during break and don't get me wrong, mass shootings are still a horrible tragedy, but hearing the news didn't affect me much, mass shootings have become so common I'm numb to them now. I think you and Hodges are absolutely right.

[Shaka_Khan]

I saw the headline while I was browsing the news during break and don't get me wrong, mass shootings are still a horrible tragedy, but hearing the news didn't affect me much, mass shootings have become so common I'm numb to them now. I think you and Hodges are absolutely right.

It probably almost happened last year to the elementary school that my sister's daughter went to. (They live not far from Houston). A would-be shooter was caught by police thanks to his friend who reported what was said in his facebook. So the mass shootings feel very close to home for me.

[Fragony]

Horrible. RIP.

[Crandar]

Rest in peace, to the victims. Why did he target the christians, if he was an IRA fan? Or did he target speicfically the protestants?

Anyway, have the republican candidates claimed that we would have avoided the tragedy, if every teacher and pupil carried a friendly-to-amateurs rifle or is it too early?

[Fragony]

Maybe he was a fan of something else, sure looks like it.

[Greyblades]

What can you say at this point?

R.I.P

Anyway, have the republican candidates claimed that we would have avoided the tragedy, if every teacher and pupil carried a friendly-to-amateurs rifle or is it too early?

Not that I know of, but the customary twitter-feminist attempts to link shootings to "toxic masculinity" has started early this time.

Yes that actually happens.

[rory_20_uk]

Diesel cars are probably killing more people annually due to the discrepancy between what the stated pollution is and the actual pollution. In the UK we basically trust the companies to provide the emission test results and ask few if any questions so failed to catch the cheat that has probably been used for ages and probably by several manufacturers.

Many Arab countries use cheap labour from abroad and ignore many health and safety rules we have in the West to get fast, cheap buildings up. A high death rate amongst the workers.

America likes guns and ensures that everyone can get hold of them with ease - since assuming one is mentally deranged enough to get to a gun fair even the basic gun checks can be avoided. More nutters gun down people.

The point is that choices by societies have costs. America made theirs so yeah. Another shooting. How about that?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I only root for teams that have fans two beers away from murder.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Has been all over the news here in southern California. It was a man and woman who attacked a regional center for helping disabled individuals. Their house had 12 pipe bombs, seemingly ready to be used.

[Greyblades]

[Husar]

Their house had 12 pipe bombs, seemingly ready to be used.

How many people were actually ever killed by pipe bombs?
You always hear the killers had pipe bombs in their home, but they probably don't kill a lot of people by lying around at home. How often did someone actually successfully use a pipe bomb to kill people?
Even the notable incidents on Wikipedia seem to include almost more people who blew themselves up than deaths of others:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_b...able_incidents
The 1996 incident seems the worst, killed two and injured 111, but doesn't say how badly.

Not that I'm pro-pipe bomb, it's just the news that "pipe bombs were found" does not sound really scary, see also the 2010 Stockholm bombing...
I forgot what it's called but there is usually something else they use to kill far more people.

[Montmorency]

?

If you walk into a mass shooter's house and find 100 different models of assault rifle, is that scary?

None of those weapons will have been used, since, you know, they're still stacked up at home. Unless this is the Matrix, or the individual is some kind of Lakshmi-Rambo hybrid, then any number of weapons left behind at their home is not 'scary" unless it signifies accomplices or a larger network.

For now, the takeaway from the pipe-bombs is that this was something they had been planning for a while, but probably without much or any outside assistance or training.

[Husar]

For a reason still being determined, it looks like the attack was accelerated and was not the original attack as planned but more spontaneous. Thus, why the bombs were not used. FYI, one of the deadliest terrorists attacks in the US was the Oklahoma City Bombing. 168 deaths, 680+ injuries. That's around 12 times worse than San Bernardino. So yeah, bombs are no joke if the terrorists have the patience to plan and deploy them properly.

A truck bomb is not a pipe bomb. I'm sure a pipe bomb also has the potential to be dangerous in theory, I just haven't heard of many cases where they were in practice.

If you walk into a mass shooter's house and find 100 different models of assault rifle, is that scary?

If they are neatly lined up in velvet cases, no, if they lie in between human body parts that he used to make soup, yes.

None of those weapons will have been used, since, you know, they're still stacked up at home. Unless this is the Matrix, or the individual is some kind of Lakshmi-Rambo hybrid, then any number of weapons left behind at their home is not 'scary" unless it signifies accomplices or a larger network.

Indeed, what does that tell us about the actual success rate of killing people with pipe bombs? I linked to the wikipedia lising of cases where they were used, and apart from one or two cases, even then they did not seem all that deadly. It lists two or three cases where only the perpetrator died, either at home or even during the attempt to kill others. If those are among the most noteworthy cases of use, well...

For now, the takeaway from the pipe-bombs is that this was something they had been planning for a while, but probably without much or any outside assistance or training.

Yes, in a way I just found it interesting that so many people planned something with pipe bombs but so few people were actually ever killed by one. Which is a good thing I guess, maybe more pipe bomb recipes on the internet could drown out the actually dangerous ones.

[a completely inoffensive name]

For a reason still being determined, it looks like the attack was accelerated and was not the original attack as planned but more spontaneous. Thus, why the bombs were not used. FYI, one of the deadliest terrorists attacks in the US was the Oklahoma City Bombing. 168 deaths, 680+ injuries. That's around 12 times worse than San Bernardino. So yeah, bombs are no joke if the terrorists have the patience to plan and deploy them properly.

[a completely inoffensive name]

12 pipe bombs depending on the context could kill as many as a single truck bomb.

[Montmorency]

The best thing you can say about pipe bombs is that the people making pipe bombs usually don't make good ones.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Basically, yeah. The two pressure cooker bombs used in Boston killed 3 but injured over 260 and I believe it's because the bombs were not even that sophisticated.

[Husar]

The best thing you can say about pipe bombs is that the people making pipe bombs usually don't make good ones.

You say that as though I were happy that they exist, but yes, maybe what you say is correct, doesn't change the reality that they usually don't seem to do much. Of course I'd hope it stays that way. What a bomb expert could do with one was not my point. I observed that in most of their uses, they did not do all that much damage, which I assume is usually a better thing than if they did.
And maybe I assumed that they are often mentioned to increase the scare factor a bit, but if you disagree that's okay, no hard feelings, please don't hit me...

[Montmorency]

But what exactly are you referring to then, how the media represents pipe bombs, how people in general perceive pipe bombs, or the actual lethality or safety risk from pipe bomb detonations? None of these are particular interesting, useful, or even relevant angles to explore.

But if I must: pipe bombs do not cause much damage precisely because they are usually made or planned for by amateurs, who make a poor bomb that detonates feebly or not at all, never get a chance to use the bomb, or - most commonly and importantly - get the attention of the FBI during the process of procuring supplies or doing research toward the construction of pipe bombs.

Successful bombers - whether serial killers or terrorists - tend to use more sophisticated devices with better preparation and delivery.

[Beskar]

Republicans shamed for offering Prayers and rejecting legislation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34992061

[a completely inoffensive name]

You don't remember the subreddit?