Rise of The Snake Cult [Concluded]

[Golden1Knight]

Excellent arguments. In your place I'd also vote for me.

It's funny to see how all the evidence points to me, really looks like a solved case. However, I'm sorry to disappoint, but this game does not end with my death. I don't know why GH and El Barto decided to protect me, I'm not aligned with the mafia. But now to business.

Nightbringer worked hard to clarify the overall situation and, since the Mafia benefits from chaos and confusion, I believe that he is townie.

Raith seems a bit clean too, since he would not need all this work to get a mislynch. Yet I'm still not sure about it, as a last mafia he would feel greater need to establish himself as townie, especially after Nightbringer's post.

Zain and Severingviper: they deserve a little more attention. Then, I'll vote: severingviper. I still think we should not waste this lynch with me anyway, but it just makes me look even guiltier. Oh well :P

[Raith Kemmler]

It's funny to see how all the evidence points to me, really looks like a solved case. However, I'm sorry to disappoint, but this game does not end with my death. I don't know why GH and El Barto decided to protect me, I'm not aligned with the mafia.

Are you GH's third party buddy then? And he convinced Elly to go along with it? I will change my vote if you can give me another explanation for that weird ass vote moment. It can't just be a frame job on you, that's a lot of risk with little reward. So either they were protecting you, or getting something else. Or they just like to run around changing wagons because they really didn't feel good?/sarcasm

Raith seems a bit clean too, since he would not need all this work to get a mislynch. Yet I'm still not sure about it, as a last mafia he would feel greater need to establish himself as townie, especially after Nightbringer's post.

However, I'm sorry to disappoint, but this game does not end with my death.

Uh, okay. Who said anything about the game ending with your lynch? How on earth did you come to the conclusion we've reached endgame at all with a revealed third party probably infiltrating the mafia in a closed set up?

Is there an ironclad mafia ratio on the org? Or does this thought look like a bizarre assumption to anyone else?

[Nightbringer]

Are you GH's third party buddy then? And he convinced Elly to go along with it? I will change my vote if you can give me another explanation for that weird ass vote moment. It can't just be a frame job on you, that's a lot of risk with little reward. So either they were protecting you, or getting something else. Or they just like to run around changing wagons because they really didn't feel good?/sarcasm





Uh, okay. Who said anything about the game ending with your lynch? How on earth did you come to the conclusion we've reached endgame at all with a revealed third party probably infiltrating the mafia in a closed set up?

Is there an ironclad mafia ratio on the org? Or does this thought look like a bizarre assumption to anyone else?

There isn't an ironclad ratio, but 4 mafia in a game this size does feel about right. 5 would be 25% of the player base.

[Golden1Knight]

Are you GH's third party buddy then? And he convinced Elly to go along with it? I will change my vote if you can give me another explanation for that weird ass vote moment. It can't just be a frame job on you, that's a lot of risk with little reward. So either they were protecting you, or getting something else. Or they just like to run around changing wagons because they really didn't feel good?/sarcasm

I highlighted the correct answer. I'm just a townie, not even third party, if I claimed such a thing maybe I would be able to fool you for some time and try avoid death, but to claim to be third party is like asking to be eliminated by both town and mafia. In Pirate Ship III we had an excellent example of fake role, which went unnoticed until the end of the game, but this is a case apart and required some skill and experience.

Uh, okay. Who said anything about the game ending with your lynch? How on earth did you come to the conclusion we've reached endgame at all with a revealed third party probably infiltrating the mafia in a closed set up?

Is there an ironclad mafia ratio on the org? Or does this thought look like a bizarre assumption to anyone else?

In the last two games (and the only ones in which I participated), there were only three mafia.

[Winston Hughes]

Zain went nowhere again last night.

[Al Sipsclar]

Zain went nowhere again last night.

Why did you track Zain two nights in a row? How is he more interesting than others?

[Winston Hughes]

Why did you track Zain two nights in a row? How is he more interesting than others?

Snap decision. I figured if he was scum, they'd send him to perform the kill, because they wouldn't expect me to track him again. And if he was town, I could see how easily he might end up as lynchbait today.

Given how last night turned out, it's clear now I should have gone for someone else. When nobody mentioned a poisoning yesterday, I figured khaan's death was the end of that - one thing that's bothering me now is why landlubber didn't know (or didn't say) he'd been poisoned. So, I was working on the assumption of anti-town forces making only one kill attempt.

Anyhows, at least it looks good for Zain. Even if landlubber's poisoning was a delayed kill (likely, I think) and El Barto's death was a vig (slightly more dubious about this), there's still the Cuthillius kill and my apparent poisoning to account for. I wouldn't say he's lock town on that basis, but being cleared of all that puts him among the probable townies in my book.

[Winston Hughes]

Raith's case on GK is decent enough, but I'm sticking with vote: SeveringViper for now. I just can't see a town mind at work in his posts, whereas GK is giving at least a passable impression.

[SeveringViper]

Raith's case on GK is decent enough, but I'm sticking with vote: SeveringViper for now. I just can't see a town mind at work in his posts, whereas GK is giving at least a passable impression.

An easy thing to say, care to elaborate?

[Winston Hughes]

An easy thing to say, care to elaborate?

You seem disinclined to make declarative statements. Almost everything's phrased as questions, but very little of what you're saying is genuinely interrogative.

I see this as scummy in two complementary ways: firstly, it's a form of softening, like you're shying away from saying anything that you might be pulled up on; secondly, it's like you're trying to do an impression of scumhunting, rather than actually doing it.

More than that, though, I'm trusting my gut on your general tone, and the flow of your contributions over the course of the game so far.

[SeveringViper]

You seem disinclined to make declarative statements. Almost everything's phrased as questions, but very little of what you're saying is genuinely interrogative.

I see this as scummy in two complementary ways: firstly, it's a form of softening, like you're shying away from saying anything that you might be pulled up on; secondly, it's like you're trying to do an impression of scumhunting, rather than actually doing it.

More than that, though, I'm trusting my gut on your general tone, and the flow of your contributions over the course of the game so far.

...What? I made a case against someone and declared my intent to lynch with a vote. The most I have in there are rhetorical questions, because that's the nature of the piece, an accusation, not an interrogation. And you realize you're making a subjective argument anyway, based on your standards of what is or isn't interrogative? At least define them. Quote what lukewarm questions you have in mind and explain.

There are actually ways you can challenge me over that post, can you detect them? :3 I was the first to make a real case against Zain, against the flow of votes, that's not scumhunting? It's shying away from taking a position?

Ok, so you admit (or claim) you're relying on gut feelings. Whatever you wish.

[edse]

Excellent arguments. In your place I'd also vote for me.

It's funny to see how all the evidence points to me, really looks like a solved case. However, I'm sorry to disappoint, but this game does not end with my death. I don't know why GH and El Barto decided to protect me, I'm not aligned with the mafia. But now to business.

Nightbringer worked hard to clarify the overall situation and, since the Mafia benefits from chaos and confusion, I believe that he is townie.

Raith seems a bit clean too, since he would not need all this work to get a mislynch. Yet I'm still not sure about it, as a last mafia he would feel greater need to establish himself as townie, especially after Nightbringer's post.

Zain and Severingviper: they deserve a little more attention. Then, I'll vote: severingviper. I still think we should not waste this lynch with me anyway, but it just makes me look even guiltier. Oh well :P

The tone in this message sounds very scummy to me, so it's my gut feeling to Vote: Golden1Knight.

Damn you Winston, I had a perfect tally coming up.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

3 SeveringViper: Zain, Nightbringer, Golden1Knight
3 Zain: Jarema, SeveringViper, Al Sipsclar
3 Golden1Knight: Raith Kemmler, johnhughthom, edse

3 No Vote: Winston Hughes, autolycus, Cass

Current tally
4 SeveringViper: Zain, Nightbringer, Golden1Knight, Winston Hughes
3 Zain: Jarema, SeveringViper, Al Sipsclar
3 Golden1Knight: Raith Kemmler, johnhughthom, edse

2 No Vote: autolycus, Cass