Rise of The Snake Cult [Concluded]

[SeveringViper]

Still boils down to him being inconsistent, which is not something I see as a scumtell. It is, however, something I've noticed scum tend to pick up on when looking for a patsy to mislynch. Townies can also make that kind of case, obviously. But given the timing and the situation (and my estimation of your abilities), the way the case was presented is not something I'm going to dismiss as a point against you.

I see. Any argument can be boiled down to its base idea, I must note.

What risk? You were already catching votes, and you'd surely have known that simply jumping on the first counter-wagon to appear would not have made you look any less suspicious.

I believe I addressed this. At the point I made that post, I was far from the sure lynch from that day due to that counter-wagon. And I simply wouldn't be jumping on a wagon, there was a case presented which I could have easily agreed with as scum rather than entering the spotlight as I did.

I've not been trying to persuade others to lynch you, if that's what you're suggesting. If I wanted to, I'm pretty confident I could've dropped a case which would have done exactly that. But it wouldn't have been an entirely honest case. It would've been fluffed up and made to look like more than it was. It would have meant pretending to be more sure than I was. And the same is true now. I could paint you up much scummier than I have been, but the fact is that you've preserved a good deal of doubt in my mind about whether or not you really are a wrong-un.

I wasn't, I was saying that in your challenging me, you were using rhetoric until I drew out the reasoning you had. Fair enough, then.

Nevertheless, and despite having narrowed the margin on GK, you're still my top pick as scum for two reasons. Firstly, because you've only given me cause for doubt after starting to address me directly. Secondly, because I'm pretty sure you're good enough to make these plays as scum.

1. Alright, I see we've gone as far as we can. 2. Heh, I'll take that as a compliment. I can only ask that you reconsider before you continue pushing this.

[Winston Hughes]

That's more like it. Now you're playing me. If scum, you've got game. The problem, for both of us if you are town, is that I suspect you've got that kind of game as scum. Right now, your best bet for reducing my suspicions is to show me some townie mindset on something other than your own situation.

Even if GK is scum, there's no chance he's the last. Who else would you pick, and why?

I see. Any argument can be boiled down to its base idea, I must note.

Some arguments can. Whether or not they are good arguments depends on whether or not the base idea is any good. And an argument based on one weak idea, dressed up as if it's more than that, is a pretty typical scum device.

[SeveringViper]

That's more like it. Now you're playing me. If scum, you've got game. The problem, for both of us if you are town, is that I suspect you've got that kind of game as scum. Right now, your best bet for reducing my suspicions is to show me some townie mindset on something other than your own situation.

Even if GK is scum, there's no chance he's the last. Who else would you pick, and why?

Some arguments can. Whether or not they are good arguments depends on whether or not the base idea is any good. And an argument based on one weak idea, dressed up as if it's more than that, is a pretty typical scum device.

I've already shown I'd have Zain lynched, and I was ready to return to that next. If Zain flips scum, I would look at Nightbringer next, as I get the sense of a connection. As of now, the lynch will be on GK. If he flips scum, good, Raith is in a pretty good position. If not, I'll be looking at his case again, but similar to something you mentioned, being wrong is something town might do as well. And Jarema hasn't impressed me with his posts today. That's where I stand.

I see. I agree my base point of his inconsistency isn't enough to make a case from, but the argument I built on it is. And that's my point, by boiling it down to its base, you strip it of its strength and meaning.

[Winston Hughes]

Take Zain and GK off the table with no reveal.

Who do you lynch?

[SeveringViper]

Take Zain and GK off the table with no reveal.

Who do you lynch?

Jarema, then Nightbringer, then I'm out of ideas with what I've seen so far.

[Winston Hughes]

Why those two?

[SeveringViper]

Why those two?

Jarema for oddities today, Nightbringer because of thoughts I have about connections between him and Zain, and a point of connection between him and Jarema from Jarema's side.

[Golden1Knight]

You're killing the wrong person guys. Raith, you better explain yourself after killing a humble townie like me with such a fierce inquisition :p

[Raith Kemmler]

You're killing the wrong person guys. Raith, you better explain yourself after killing a humble townie like me with such a fierce inquisition :p

I was wrong? But let's answer the real implication.

You are revealed as town. (Which is sounding slightly more plausible with this post, but I'd probably advocate to lynch you later anyway for strategy.) My mafia potential profile rises yes? Well ideally, I'd like to see two or so more rounds, or at least get a mafia clinch with this or the next day. What if the town, which probably has me somewhere in a middling range, I'm not totally sure beyond an endorsement here and Winston squinting at me,

What if they kill me tomorrow?

Here's the thing Golden.

I don't care.

Winning the game is finding mafia. Me winning is finding a mafia. Me winning is, if I don't get anyone before I sleep, my lean list has a mafia I.D.'d. That's a step to town victory.

Your claimed goal is terrible unless you're mafia. The mafia could kill anyone each night. Crazy survivalist lurking townies are crazy. The mafia leave them alive because they're awesome cover. Because they hamper victory. So if you are revealed town and then I get lynched tomorrow and am bamboozled about these maifa? Well, I'll see in the QT. And I'll say, I hope we both play better next time. Maybe I'll read you better. Maybe I'll find someone. Maybe you'll, you know, find the mafia. Which is the real goal of the town Not, oh look I made end game. Getting night killed early as town often is a mark of honor. It means you're a threat.

Even if GK is scum, there's no chance he's the last.

I agree, but explain? Nightbringer seemed modestly confident the opposite was possible (but not assured).

Tactics can be elaborate.

I guess. I'll take another look.