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[Fragony]

You are starting to repeat yourself. Try fire fighters next time.

Try finding where I repeat myself in this context eastblock-squarehead, vodka is on me. Want some lemon with it, feel free to pick them you even get payed to do it

[Montmorency]

You are starting to repeat yourself. Try fire fighters next time.

Try finding where I repeat myself in this context eastblock-squarehead, vodka is on me. Want some lemon with it, feel free to pick them you even get payed to do it

[Gilrandir]

Want some lemon with it, feel free to pick them you even get payed to do it

I envy you. You get paid to drink vodka while other people pay to do that.

As forfinding your quote, my memory (unburdened by vodka) serves me quite OK. It was in the same discussion about face-covering, although in a different thread.

[Fragony]

I envy you. You get paid to drink vodka while other people pay to do that.

As forfinding your quote, my memory (unburdened by vodka) serves me quite OK. It was in the same discussion about face-covering, although in a different thread.

You misunderstand me, I meant you are free to find lemons, there is no such thing as too much lemons and you could be usefull

[Rhyfelwyr]

Was a bit sympathetic with the OP's argument until he compared mistreatment of women in the UK to what goes on in Saudi Arabia.

A nominal vote is useless when they are still denied even the most basic freedoms. Let them walk out the house or show their face in public before you start worrying about token political rights.

[AE Bravo]

A nominal vote is useless when they are still denied even the most basic freedoms. Let them walk out the house or show their face in public before you start worrying about token political rights.

Token political rights will enable those basic freedoms.

[Pannonian]

Token political rights will enable those basic freedoms.

In the British experience, institutional freedoms pre-dated political rights. By quite a long way. Actually, in the British experience, institutional freedoms has been a commonly accepted reality for goodness knows how many centuries. The British assumption of freedom unless specifically otherwise prescribed, and even then bitterly fought over, has been the model for liberal democratic countries all over the world, not least the US. What's it like in the country you're from?

[AE Bravo]

That's the way it works in most countries. Saudi Arabia is different because institutional freedoms and political rights are dictated by the clergy and the crown. This is a positive step in an Islamist society, look at Iran. Clergy has a growing post-Islamist threat of various stripes, this is a large part of it.

My country is too young to be in that conversation, but far better than Saudi Arabia in every way.