Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

**Visor** · 02-12-2016, 14:21

N2 - Visor converted
N3- Pizza converted

why would we still be arguing in thread

**atheotes** · 02-12-2016, 14:29

Originally Posted by Visorslash

why would we still be arguing in thread

read it as a third party...Pizza went hard and then suddenly dropped it the next day. Only to resume today as an afterthought...

**Visor** · 02-12-2016, 14:38

Originally Posted by atheotes

read it as a third party...Pizza went hard and then suddenly dropped it the next day. Only to resume today as an afterthought...

True enough. I think he was surprised at me town reading him.

**Pelican** · 02-12-2016, 18:13

I'll say once more that I voted Al Sips simply because Al Sips is the clearest scum lead, and I'll continue to vote: Al Sips until it's proven otherwise.

Still think Raith Kimmler is on Al's team.

Jarrema as scum makes more sense in light of GH flip.

Zain maybe?

I already missed a deadline irl in part due to time spent on this game, so that's probably all you'll see from me today. It depends on how well I manage to avoid further procrastination...

**atheotes** · 02-12-2016, 18:37

Originally Posted by Pelican

I'll say once more that I voted Al Sips simply because Al Sips is the clearest scum lead, and I'll continue to vote: Al Sips until it's proven otherwise.

Still think Raith Kimmler is on Al's team.

Jarrema as scum makes more sense in light of GH flip.

Zain maybe?

I already missed a deadline irl in part due to time spent on this game, so that's probably all you'll see from me today. It depends on how well I manage to avoid further procrastination...

You have voted only once against Al Sips so far...it just seems like you are looking for an easy lynch.
How are Jarema and GH related?

Seems like an useful post...something a townie would do...also he is not available to respond further...yeah right! you are innocent!!!

**Al Sipsclar** · 02-12-2016, 22:03

A wall of words is incoming. Some reflections that I was having in and out of game.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

Pizza, you also said that I try hard in one of the big spoilered posts. And you're right, I do try hard. Like I said already, this is my 8th game, and everything is still new and exciting. I want to put out my best game given the time and effort limits that I have for this new hobby of mine. Not everyone is a smooth-talker, it takes time for me to compose a coherent sentence, so if my posts seem awkward, that's because they are.

In my very first game (RedDwarf on CFC) I suddenly realized that actually participating in the game is much harder than just leisurely reading the thread and voting. Just coming up with an ordered list of reads is hard enough. Crystallizing impressions and gut feelings into reasons and cases is close to impossible for me. In a later game (Visor's Madness!), I tried a carefree play, and the results were disastrous - the town was utterly pwned.

Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

I get this a lot. I think the struggle I have playing mafia is because I don't understand and can't agree when people say some posts or players are scummy. I know that a right thing to say is that everyone is scummy, and few are the scummiest, but this is not how I feel. My approach might be wrong, but I keep looking for things that clear people and reduce the pool of lynch candidates. Otherwise, I'll be just lost in paranoia.

Since I usually come across as scummy, I even developed a silly town-tell, which works especially well on new folks who never played with me before. If they vote me, I tend to believe they are town, since scum would know that I'm innocent. That's why I think Zain and atheotes are town.

So why are you so vehemently accuse me, Pizza. We played maybe 2 games together, and you hosted one I played in. I was town in all (I was scum only once in Zack's Demon Council on CFC). So it's not like you're a clueless townie. You vote me because you're scum. Was I right about you when I said you're were converted N1 and saw through your mafia cooperation strategy? You even agreed with that, in the same way khaan agreed with GH's case against him. A funny post that atheotes dug up where you pledged your allegiance to GH.

I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a big fan of yours, I wanted to see you play, and learn from you. But I can't play with you if you're playing against me. I don't think we're on the same team.

Unvote; Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I think we have a big problem on our hands and that problem is the cult. Pizza and Visor has been trying to deflect the attention away from cult-hunting, saying only mafia wants to destroy the cult, and I think they are guilty because of that. We've been lynching townies, all the while mafia can't swing a dead cat without hitting a cultist. The presence of the cult is polluting our reads, we can't clear townies when cult can immediately recruit them away. I'd like to see at least 4 cultists dead, if we lynch some mafiosi while hunting for the cult, it's even better, but until I see the that the cult faction is eliminated, I can't let up my cult hunting.

Pelican tripped on the same post I made, so I believe he's with Pizza. Raith's claim is easy to do for a scum and unverifiable. Cuth and Jarema might be Pizza distancing partners.