SYRIA thread

[Brenus]

"Check the map of Russian empire" Check on a map and you will see that a lot of country don't. However, none dispute their continuity...

"but the reason is that Turkey is a NATO member" And have to comply to the treaty, in theory a defensive one. So if a NATO's country launches a war, other NATO countries don't have legal rights nor duty to help the aggressor.

"I don't see why can't NATO respond in kind." For political and strategic reason. NATO certainly doesn't want the Talibans with modern weapons. Crimea/Kosovo was a lesson for the West, the game can be played by both side.

"Not IN the Black Sea, but ACROSS the Black Sea" I was speaking of the fleet, and manoeuvres to put pressure impossible to ignore. Not a landing on Turkish soil... As far as I know, Russia have no armies in Syria, but few specialists support units for air forces and almost certainly special forces...

"But, again, since you don't trust me" In fact, I do. With you bias and your anti-Putin stance (which I understand somehow)...

"No, just your misunderstanding of the term." Nope:
I followed your advice and look:
annexation,ˌanəkˈseɪʃn,ˌanɛkˈseɪʃn/Submit,noun:
the action of annexing something, especially territory.
"the annexation of Austria by Nazi Germany in 1938"
synonyms: seizure, occupation, invasion, conquest, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; usurping
"the annexation of Austria"

Def of to annex:
1. to attach, append, or add, especially to something larger or more important.
2. to incorporate (territory) into the domain of a city, country, or state:
Germany annexed part of Czechoslovakia.
3. to take or appropriate, especially without permission.
4. to attach as an attribute, condition, or consequence.

Def of appropriate:
3. to set apart, authorize, or legislate for some specific purpose or use:
The legislature appropriated funds for the university.
4. to take to or for oneself; take possession of.
5. to take without permission or consent; seize; expropriate:
He appropriated the trust funds for himself.
6. to steal, especially to commit petty theft.

I think Kosovo fit in the description/definition.

[Gilrandir]

"Check the map of Russian empire" Check on a map and you will see that a lot of country don't. However, none dispute their continuity...

I don't dispute the continuity. I dispute equalizing modern Russia and Russian empire geographically and populationally, so to say. The latter, unlike the former, included Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, the Caucasian states, Middle Asia, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova (and Alaska before 1867).

"but the reason is that Turkey is a NATO member" And have to comply to the treaty, in theory a defensive one. So if a NATO's country launches a war, other NATO countries don't have legal rights nor duty to help the aggressor.

So far we have been speculating on how Turkey would protect itself against Russia's possible aggression, not vice versa.

"I don't see why can't NATO respond in kind." For political and strategic reason. NATO certainly doesn't want the Talibans with modern weapons. Crimea/Kosovo was a lesson for the West, the game can be played by both side.

You can never tell. And besides, AFAIK, Turkey has the second most powerful armed forces among NATO states. I don't think they may feel the lack of any weapons.

"Not IN the Black Sea, but ACROSS the Black Sea" I was speaking of the fleet, and manoeuvres to put pressure impossible to ignore. Not a landing on Turkish soil...

... and this pressure may be qualified by Turkey (and perhaps by NATO) as an aggression. As was the case with the Russian plane. And if Russia really wanted to put any kind of pressure, it should be done near the Turkish territory, thus across the Black sea, and thus problematic supply-wise.

"No, just your misunderstanding of the term." Nope:
I followed your advice and look:
annexation,ˌanəkˈseɪʃn,ˌanɛkˈseɪʃn/Submit,noun:
the action of annexing something, especially territory.
"the annexation of Austria by Nazi Germany in 1938"
synonyms: seizure, occupation, invasion, conquest, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; usurping
"the annexation of Austria"

Def of to annex:
1. to attach, append, or add, especially to something larger or more important.
2. to incorporate (territory) into the domain of a city, country, or state:
Germany annexed part of Czechoslovakia.
3. to take or appropriate, especially without permission.
4. to attach as an attribute, condition, or consequence.

Def of appropriate:
3. to set apart, authorize, or legislate for some specific purpose or use:
The legislature appropriated funds for the university.
4. to take to or for oneself; take possession of.
5. to take without permission or consent; seize; expropriate:
He appropriated the trust funds for himself.
6. to steal, especially to commit petty theft.

I think Kosovo fit in the description/definition.

It doesn't. We were speaking not of existing meanings of the word (and you picked #3 ignoring #2). If we were we could apply the word in the sentences like: "The robber chased her down the street and annexed her I-phone" or "Hardly had he left the purse unwatched when a passer-by annexed it" and so on. We were speaking of the term of international law which doesn't extend to the Kosovo case.

Sarmatian would have called it mental (or perhaps semantic) acrobatics. On a second thought he wouldn't. He would if I did it. You are fully protected from such derogatory statements by his attitude.