SYRIA thread

[Yesugey]

I read that Turkey's prime minister said today that TAK falsely claimed the attack, and that it was really the YPG.

I've wondered about this puzzle before. Is there any logic at all in carrying out a terrorist attack and then denying responsibility for it? To me that would seem pointless. Unless it's a false flag operation by intent, but I don't see why the YPG would want extra military action against Turkey's Kurds.
The simplest conclusion I can see is that TAK really did it, and that Turkey's government is just spinning lies to justify retribution against YPG.

To clear the confusion: YPG established as the vassal organization of PKK, which takes orders from, and sent its men to PKK when necessary. About TAK, such a group simply does not exist.

PKK likes to aim the women and children of the military staff as a vengeance. (Especially the jet pilots) At past, as an excuse they were simply claiming "Oh, some of our guerillas just went rogue and did the bombing by their own decision." which was not good enough to avoid responsibility.

And now, to have a better excuse, they simply invented TAK. So if an attack kills more civilians than the military personnel, "TAK" claims it. If it doesn't, PKK does.

In this particular case, the bomber is a YPG militia who joined YPG from Turkey, and then back to Turkey as to become PKK militia later. Still, it's impossible to tell if he is PKK or YPG at the time of the attack, because he is both.

[Crandar]

A new player is on the rise!

The New Syrian Army, campaigning in search for glory and democracy, attacked from the Kingdom of Jordan against daesh positions in South Eastern Syria. It's a totally new group, full of liberal Syrian students that love social-democracy and wish for freedom of religion.

I am slightly confused though.
Originally we liked the Free Syrians, but then it turned out that they liked burqas more than us.

Then, we started to like the Democratic Syrians (who were actually Kurds and not Arabs), until our NATO colleague began to bomb them a bit and they allied with the Soviets and Assad, the notorious cogwheel of the Axis of Evil.

So, now do we like the New guys? What if they fight with our former friends, like the Democratic chaps tried to murder the Free rascals. Is anyone worried that we are running out of catchy names for our proxies?
How should we call the next group, if the Newbies are proven to be too religious or Soviet-Iranian-North Korean-Cthulhu-friendly?

[Gilrandir]

I am slightly confused though.
Originally we liked the Free Syrians, but then it turned out that they liked burqas more than us.

Then, we started to like the Democratic Syrians (who were actually Kurds and not Arabs), until our NATO colleague began to bomb them a bit and they allied with the Soviets and Assad, the notorious cogwheel of the Axis of Evil.

So, now do we like the New guys?

Local traditions of Syria allow you to like up to four paramours simultaneously. Go ahead and use the chance.

[Shaka_Khan]

We didn't understand the situation. (For us it's understandable because we're not there and we get the wrong information). Countries have misunderstood numerous times in the past about the other regions. And so they made the wrong decisions and the wrong policies.

The Kurds are joining the Russians and Assad after being attacked by Turkey. Also, Turkey and the Kurds aren't getting along so it's quite convenient for the Kurds to join the side (Russia) who's also not getting along with Turkey. NATO is still on Turkey's side, so the Kurds expect more help from Russia when it comes to Turkey. Both have common enemies, which includes ISIS.

[Husar]

I'm undecided between:
a) Finally they're fixing their own country.
b) Yet another ME group that wants power and to kill one another.

[Sarmatian]

A new player is on the rise!
The New Syrian Army, campaigning in search for glory and democracy, attacked from the Kingdom of Jordan against daesh positions in South Eastern Syria. It's a totally new group, full of liberal Syrian students that love social-democracy and wish for freedom of religion.

Coming out of Jordan means they're US backed. I don't think much is gonna change.

[AE Bravo]

A new player is on the rise!

The New Syrian Army, campaigning in search for glory and democracy, attacked from the Kingdom of Jordan against daesh positions in South Eastern Syria. It's a totally new group, full of liberal Syrian students that love social-democracy and wish for freedom of religion.

I don't think anyone should be quick to root for these guys. The article says they were a subfaction of the FSA.

Seems like an opportunistic move from FSA big wigs to present a decent enough counterpoint to Assad. Their parent organization (Jabhat al Tanmiya wal Islah) is fishy, with a vague charter and not a whole lot to say about religious freedom.

Any group that's not willing to settle for less than the eradication of the standing army of the Syrian Arab Republic is not a politically prudent group, and is probably heavily influenced by non-Syrians.

[Crandar]

They already lost the border crossing to daesh.

The New ones don't seem to have a long life expectancy. So any thoughts on this?
Should we root for the Renovated Syrians, the Originals or Syria 2.0?

[Gilrandir]

Putin withdraws from Syria?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35807689

[Hooahguy]

Kinda reminds me of this:


If I had to guess, he will leave his anti-air defenses in the country to prevent a no-fly zone from being established. This way he can return if needed as it is not a complete withdrawal.