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    You can't improve democracy through math.

    Preferential voting increases the influence of extremists on both sides as their candidates shore up the construction of coalitions or provide the additional # of votes needed for large parties to achieve a decisive victory.

    Coalition governments only bring about increased resentment towards governments as separate interests grow more disillusioned with their policy achievements (either too moderate or too extreme). Two parties allow for a clear mandate "this is the direction we go in, if you don't like it, vote for the other team".


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    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    You can't improve democracy through math.

    Preferential voting increases the influence of extremists on both sides as their candidates shore up the construction of coalitions or provide the additional # of votes needed for large parties to achieve a decisive victory.

    Coalition governments only bring about increased resentment towards governments as separate interests grow more disillusioned with their policy achievements (either too moderate or too extreme). Two parties allow for a clear mandate "this is the direction we go in, if you don't like it, vote for the other team".
    Now you managed to make all of it sound bad. :(


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Now you managed to make all of it sound bad. :(
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    The world isn't red and blue, and the shocking divisions within American parties is very undemocratic. It truly is a terrible system geared towards elitism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    The world isn't red and blue, and the shocking divisions within American parties is very undemocratic. It truly is a terrible system geared towards elitism.
    Divisions within American parties is not a symptom of the system, but of the culture. As your right wing parties continue to grow, your government will start to face the same issues.


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    Preferential voting allows a bell like curve to the party spectrum. Yes there is one or two extremists at each end, there is also right and left wings in the four main parties in Australia.

    Preferential voting does influence the main stream parties in both good and bad ways. But it does act as a pressure valve in allowing a broader view and discourse in parliament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    Preferential voting allows a bell like curve to the party spectrum. Yes there is one or two extremists at each end, there is also right and left wings in the four main parties in Australia.

    Preferential voting does influence the main stream parties in both good and bad ways. But it does act as a pressure valve in allowing a broader view and discourse in parliament.
    Your situation in Australia is not due to preferential voting. Up until the last 20 years, there were left and right wings in both American Parties.

    Why would you want a broader view? There is no good in having the fascists and communists having a notable say in government. In fact, I would think that giving them a bigger voice only promotes further radicalization.


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    Don't see how it relates to voting fraud.
    I speak of how a Ukrainian would see the changes you suggest. Ukrainians have an experience of witnessing voting frauds and generally are distrustful of the calculation process. Thus the more complexities are there, the more they are likely to smell a rat.
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