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    But you take it as granted that reflecting all interests =better democracy. There really shouldn't be any Australian legislation written by a party claiming that all abortion should be illegal and that carbon dioxide is "plant food" and thus has no impact on climate at all.


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    But you take it as granted that reflecting all interests =better democracy. There really shouldn't be any Australian legislation written by a party claiming that all abortion should be illegal and that carbon dioxide is "plant food" and thus has no impact on climate at all.
    But they are the majority in the American House and Senate. So having them in their little loony party prevents them from any main parties from instating that legislation.
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    But you take it as granted that reflecting all interests =better democracy. There really shouldn't be any Australian legislation written by a party claiming that all abortion should be illegal and that carbon dioxide is "plant food" and thus has no impact on climate at all.
    You are desrcibing the current in power coalition in Federal Government for Australia. Their previous Prime Minister removed the minister of science as a portfolio, denied climate change, that some forms of coal was clean, subsidized the fossil fuel sector, mandated that the clean energy government loans couldn't go to wind or solar, and made himself the minister of woman because he couldn't find a woman in his party capable of doing it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    You are desrcibing the current in power coalition in Federal Government for Australia. Their previous Prime Minister removed the minister of science as a portfolio, denied climate change, that some forms of coal was clean, subsidized the fossil fuel sector, mandated that the clean energy government loans couldn't go to wind or solar, and made himself the minister of woman because he couldn't find a woman in his party capable of doing it...
    So the next question is whether a majority of Australians really desire those policies? If yes, then it is like I said originally, it's a matter of culture not system. If not, well, it sure isn't single preference voting to blame.


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    Until yesterday preference voting was fully enabled for house and senate.

    The majority parties find then micro parties inconvient as they can't just make deals with a block. As of yesterday a vote was held so that preferential voting was limited to 6 preferences. There is already moves underway to challenge this as it is unconstitutional as their is a requirement that all votes are directly allowed by the voter and not to be filtered by parties.
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    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-0...passed/7258212

    Now that the senate reforms have gone through my best guess is that before the coalition has to table the yearly budget in may they are going to call a double dissolution and try and hammer through the advantage.

    Double dissolution will mean that instead of half the senators being elected that all of them will be done. The ruling parties are hoping the margins they got last time will mean an even bigger majority.

    They will also do all this in advance of the court cases being resolved.
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    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-0...passed/7258212

    Now that the senate reforms have gone through my best guess is that before the coalition has to table the yearly budget in may they are going to call a double dissolution and try and hammer through the advantage.

    Double dissolution will mean that instead of half the senators being elected that all of them will be done. The ruling parties are hoping the margins they got last time will mean an even bigger majority.

    They will also do all this in advance of the court cases being resolved.
    I would wait to see how things operate under the new system before casting judgement.


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    And today:
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-0...ection/7262898

    "Mr Turnbull will bring back both houses of Parliament for an extraordinary sitting in April to deal with industrial relations legislation, and says he will call a double dissolution election to be held on July 2 if the bills are not passed.

    He called a snap media conference in his Canberra parliamentary courtyard this morning to make the announcement."

    Basically what I asserted is happening. They have the perceived advantage and what to use it asap before challenges to the new system can be made.
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