Bomb attacks on Brussels airport

**wooly_mammoth** · 03-22-2016, 16:46

When I returned from Russia I went through a security check the instant I set foot inside their airport, which repeated once more just like in eu airports before going to the gate. It's great to hear that good honest law-abiding Belgians can waltz into an airport while carrying fragmentation bombs and assault rifles.

**Husar** · 03-22-2016, 17:02

Originally Posted by wooly_mammoth

When I returned from Russia I went through a security check the instant I set foot inside their airport, which repeated once more just like in eu airports before going to the gate. It's great to hear that good honest law-abiding Belgians can waltz into an airport while carrying fragmentation bombs and assault rifles.

Or into a metro station, a train station, a bus station, a taxi stand, a hotel, a shopping mall, a park, ...

It's interesting how you complain about the airport security when more people died and got hurt in the metro station.

**Snowhobbit** · 03-22-2016, 17:13

Originally Posted by Husar

Or into a metro station, a train station, a bus station, a taxi stand, a hotel, a shopping mall, a park, ...

It's interesting how you complain about the airport security when more people died and got hurt in the metro station.

Are we complaining or pointing out what improvements can be made? Speaking of which, if you do it Delhi style then you'd have security checks at the metro also, though those can get more crowded very easily. Would you care to guess why the metro had more deaths? Could it be because the explosions were in a smaller area and more force was thus applied where the bomb blast struck? Which again goes to show that a check outside (or right inside if it is cold as hell like in Russia) can significantly reduce the risk and damage of terror attacks.

Why exactly do you not want to make it harder to blow people up?

**wooly_mammoth** · 03-22-2016, 17:16

Either circumstance is appalling. Of course the fundamental problem is not the nonexistence of that added security check (the point was that it can work without any real issues and can help avoid something like this), but rather the fact that the same kind of people keep murdering rampantly in largely the same areas and the governments that should be doing something about it appear to be unable to cope with it.

**Husar** · 03-22-2016, 17:33

Originally Posted by wooly_mammoth

Either circumstance is appalling. Of course the fundamental problem is not the nonexistence of that added security check (the point was that it can work without any real issues and can help avoid something like this), but rather the fact that the same kind of people keep murdering rampantly in largely the same areas and the governments that should be doing something about it appear to be unable to cope with it.

I think unwilling is more likely. Security services seem to be starved of finances and troublemakers are not reigned in anymore as they used to be. I prefer a peaceful approach to problem solving as most should be aware here, but if you have chronic troublemakers I'd step up the game and stop them with far more force than is legally allowed nowadays.
That does not mean throw all muslims out or racially cleanse the country, but as I said earlier, why were the people who rioted over the arrest of a terrorist not rounded up and arrested for a start?

**Fragony** · 03-22-2016, 17:43

These are the moments where you count to ten Hussie, it's horrible what happened no doubt. But it shouldn't really come as a surprise. Very high on my wtfdidyouexpect-list all this

**Husar** · 03-22-2016, 17:50

Originally Posted by Fragony

These are the moments where you count to ten Hussie, it's horrible what happened no doubt. But it shouldn't really come as a surprise.

I didn't say I'm surprised and I've said before that we should be much harsher with people who think we are a victim culture. I just don't agree with blaming everyone who wears a hijab, building walls everywhere and having more and more controls of everyone. Fight the terror and not the citizens. Proper police investigation that catches them before they get to blow anyone up is much better than reducing the number of people who get blown up. Sadly this kind of investigative work is really lacking in some countries here, much easier to plaster airports with security and pretend everything is fine now.

And then you have these people who say each country should do its own thing and then a Belgian moves to Paris and after he blew up a lot of people the Belgians tell the French "oh yeah, he was definitely a suspect, we knew that for a while!". Yeah well, let's just cooperate only on a business level, nothing that could go wrong.

**Fragony** · 03-22-2016, 18:00

Originally Posted by Husar

I didn't say I'm surprised and I've said before that we should be much harsher with people who think we are a victim culture. I just don't agree with blaming everyone who wears a hijab, building walls everywhere and having more and more controls of everyone. Fight the terror and not the citizens. Proper police investigation that catches them before they get to blow anyone up is much better than reducing the number of people who get blown up. Sadly this kind of investigative work is really lacking in some countries here, much easier to plaster airports with security and pretend everything is fine now.

And then you have these people who say each country should do its own thing and then a Belgian moves to Paris and after he blew up a lot of people the Belgians tell the French "oh yeah, he was definitely a suspect, we knew that for a while!". Yeah well, let's just cooperate only on a business level, nothing that could go wrong.

Cursed with genuinly good intentions, musn't resonate all that well with reality sometimes ;)

**Snowhobbit** · 03-22-2016, 18:01

Originally Posted by Husar

I think unwilling is more likely. Security services seem to be starved of finances and troublemakers are not reigned in anymore as they used to be. I prefer a peaceful approach to problem solving as most should be aware here, but if you have chronic troublemakers I'd step up the game and stop them with far more force than is legally allowed nowadays.
That does not mean throw all muslims out or racially cleanse the country, but as I said earlier, why were the people who rioted over the arrest of a terrorist not rounded up and arrested for a start?

I'm curious, what do you mean by "far more force than is legally allowed nowadays"? Torture is generally proven to be a very bad way of gathering information. I'm sure there is some law in Belgium about support for terrorism etc that could be applied, or if not then written pronto. I've not read any news about riots after the arrest of the terrorist the other day, could you link some news article or suchlike?

Of course catching them before they strike is better than minimizing the causalities and nothing else. But doing both reduces human suffering and keeps the citizenry safer than otherwise at what to me seems like a very reasonable price.