IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[Eldrick]

Most people have not showed up at all...it sucks.
I am all for lynching an inactive. I will be back before the end of day.

I'm not. I am adamantly lynching someone because they are inactive cuz if we are wrong, there is no information gained.

[Eldrick]

adamantly against*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually wait.

Visor has a point about atpg, culturally different between sites. edse gives horrible reasoning, and considering the low votes today, a vote for atpg is low risk move for scum, so...slight scum lean. Eldrick strong town lean. Takhisis is being Takhisis. Al Sips is being very quiet by his standards, I'm reading the majority of posts made as townie in general. I don't like any of the lynches today so far.

BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Double A


I would vote for Visor for the bs yesterday with Jarrema, but horrible idea in game terms. vote: Al Sips, but could easily switch to another of the above 4. An edse lynch would be a weak case, and IMO would get more info by leaving him alive, and a potential lynch another day.

Unvote: Golden1Knight
Vote: Punisher

Seems weak, got a classic scumslip or two.

[BSmith]

i still think takhis is mafia but at least he posts

Tak is the strongest read I have at the moment, but that said it is not all that strong. vote: El Takibarto If you think he is scum then you should vote for him. Lynching an inactive is not usually productive as there is little info to gain and the chances are high that they are town.

I realize I have been contributing to the lack of contribution, but man there is not a lot to go on today. Zack kill is curious as he would easily have been a lynch target today. Choxorn makes sense as the suggestion was made that he was a doctor. Are we certain that there is a vig in play here? I suppose I could see Zack as a good vig target as he was under a lot of suspicion and removing him at night would let us focus on other targets.

Town lean –
Visor
atheotes
Eldrick

Anyone else could be scum in my mind. As for ATPG – not sure what the strategy is behind the multiple (and likely fake) claims. I think atheotes is right that this tactic would generally trip up town more than mafia. I’ve played a lot of mafia but haven’t really seen the fake claim bit work effectively – probably due to it not being used much where I play. What is the rationale behind it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

look at this

how am i supposed to know who is town here

Golden1Knight is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Golden1Knight is.

Thoughts on Punisher?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote analysis. The persons in blue are never getting lynched this game ever, or are already known to be villagers.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse

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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher


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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
GH (6) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (3) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy
GH (5) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Choxorn
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Choxorn (1) - Jarema

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AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy, Visor, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Choxorn
Jarema (4) - Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips
GH (2) - Raith Kemmler, El Barto
Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (6) - BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler
Choxorn (1) - El Barto
Jarema (9) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn, GH, askthepizzaguy
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse

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Votes:
El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler

Not voting: BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Punisher, Eldrick, askthepizzaguy, Double A

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Votes:
atheotes (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - atheotes, Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Al Sips- (1) Punisher
Punisher- (1) GH
El Barto- BSmith

Not voting: Golden1Knight, Al Sips, askthepizzaguy, Double A

So I need to know the alignments, town/mafia, of several additional persons.

For example, the people in THIS SECTION today:

Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Al Sips- (1) Punisher
Punisher- (1) GH
El Barto- BSmith

Raith, john, Edse, Al Sips, GH, El Barto, BSmith

Have to have a couple wolves in it. So if you're a villager in this section, think about what's going on.

Edse it would be great if you stopped voting for Visor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thoughts on Punisher?

*shrug*

Punisher is just some player in this game. Reaction seemed villagery.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

My vote looms over the unfortunate designer furnishings like the sword of Damocles. Seventeen players, and only so many places for the scummos to hide. Perhaps three scummos. If I took five shots randomly, how many scummos could I hit?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Khaan
GH
johnny boy
Zackleeno
Golden1Knight

Well. If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble.

Trollface.jpg

Vote: Khaan

Mason chat:

"Ok, Golden1Knight, this is the breadcrumb I'm using.

Sword = Knight
Seventeen = Where you appear on the player list
If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble = My mason partner's name is on this list

Three clues in one post directly after calling myself lock clear. That's the crumb. You can explain the crumb if I die and you need to prove you are the mason.

Oh, forgot the last one

The other names on that list are informal. Yours is spelled formally, indicating you're different from the others."

Punisher let's be mason buddies this game. I promise I will never vote you and vice-versa.

"This is me deliberately trying to get the mafia to murder Punisher instead of you, Golden1Knight.

I will breadcrumb that later on.

#Reminding myself to do this."

"288 references you, btw.

This should help people understand that Punisher is the ruse, you're the real mason."

Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

[El Barto]

the game is gonna be a town loss because zack died a villager and both of us are probably villagers

‘Probably’ a villager?

I'm not. I am adamantly lynching someone because they are inactive cuz if we are wrong, there is no information gained.

adamantly against*

+++FREUDIAN SLIP DETECTED +++

So, seireikhaan went berserk when we tried to lynch GH, for whom I am still voting and who hasn't yet explained himself.
Then (post #616)
Like I said earlier, willing to give GH some time to warm up and see where he goes. I liked and respect the post he did about building up slower than usual.
Why the reluctance? Are you two lovers by any chance?

Tak is the strongest read I have at the moment, but that said it is not all that strong. vote: El Takibarto If you think he is scum then you should vote for him.

I don't think I'm scum so I amn't voting for me. Does that help in any way?

[El Barto]

Argh pizza that acid green font is unreadable.

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Raith Kemmler

Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Confirming anyway.

[El Barto]

This is the apparent tally

GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - atheotes; Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (2) - johnhughthom, Golden1Knight
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
atheotes (1) - Visor
Al Sipsclar (1) - Punisher
Punisher (1) - GeneralHankerchief
El Barto (1) - BSmith

On the one hand, saving atpg seems to be imperative as he's claiming masons with Golden. On the other, what's the case on Raith?

[Sooh]

Votes:
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - atheotes, Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (2) - johnhughthom, Golden1Knight
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Atheotes (1)- Visor
Punisher (1) - GH
El Barto (1) - BSmith

Not voting: BSmith, Al Sips, Punisher, askthepizzaguy, Double A



3 1/2 hour to go!

[El Barto]

Where's my 23 bazillion kroner?

[Visor]

vote: el barto

[Punisher]

Punsiher, i dont see any reason why you wouldnt want to confirm if you are pizza's mason partner.

I don't either.

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

You are way too kind

More seriously, I'm not sure why scum would murder me and have you lock clear, rather than killing you, doesn't make much logical sense to me. Also, I am very confused as to how/why I was supposed to go along with it.

On the one hand, saving atpg seems to be imperative as he's claiming masons with Golden. On the other, what's the case on Raith?

Theres a case on Raith?

Not voting: Punisher

vote: Al Sips

[El Barto]

Oh, that's it.

unvote; vote: Visor(slash)

[El Barto]

Theres a case on Raith?

I don't know. But atpg's claimed mason is voting for him. Also atpg's being voted by atheotes and Visor takes his vote off atheotes before atheotes can be tied for the lynch. So Visor's playing silly buggers.

[Visor]

mat

vote el barto and lets be done with it

[edse]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Mason chat:

"Ok, Golden1Knight, this is the breadcrumb I'm using.

Sword = Knight
Seventeen = Where you appear on the player list
If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble = My mason partner's name is on this list

Three clues in one post directly after calling myself lock clear. That's the crumb. You can explain the crumb if I die and you need to prove you are the mason.

Oh, forgot the last one

The other names on that list are informal. Yours is spelled formally, indicating you're different from the others."



"This is me deliberately trying to get the mafia to murder Punisher instead of you, Golden1Knight.

I will breadcrumb that later on.

#Reminding myself to do this."

"288 references you, btw.

This should help people understand that Punisher is the ruse, you're the real mason."

Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

How do you know that Punisher isn't the vig?

[Visor]

the raith vote sucks

the atpg vote sucks

the visor vote sucks

vote el barto

[Visor]

@GeneralHankerchief @edse

i know you're watching

nut up and vote barto.

[El Barto]

I'll humour you. unvote; vote:El Barto

[Visor]

why on earth are you self voting

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: El Barto. He's too reasonable to be town. Reminds me of ROTSC.

Sorry for inactivity, but I have to go back to work.

[Askthepizzaguy]

El Barto just claimed to not be the vig

interesting

[Sooh]

Where's my 23 bazillion kroner?

In the forest of plenty, right next to the mountain of disbelief.


Got your vote now, Punisher. I missed it because it was in the middle of a paragraph :)

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Votes:
ATPG (2) - atheotes, Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse,
Raith Kemmler (2) - johnhughthom, Golden1Knight
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Punisher (1) - GH
El Barto (4) - BSmith, Visor, El Barto, Al Sips
Al Sips (1) - Punisher

Not voting: BSmith, askthepizzaguy, Double A

[Askthepizzaguy]

El Barto

There's a very real chance I vote with you if you vote for not yourself, not me, not visor, not my mason buddy, not Eldrick

[El Barto]

why on earth are you self voting

What else do you want me to do? Vote for pizza? He's supposedly town along with Golden. Do you have an alternatibe waggon instead of tunnelling on me as you ave all day

El Barto just claimed to not be the vig

interesting

I never claimed to be a vig in the first place.