IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

If the bus driver is village and switched gh and punisher that doesn't confirm gh is village

Erm....

Hmm.

No clue what I was thinking. I think it's.... GH and Punisher get bus drivered, they can't both be wolves because wolves wouldn't just bus drive each other. But that only works if the bus driver is a wolf, so it's a massive brain fart.

It's been a long day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm glad I'm a mason, this game has been utter garbage for me. That is legit the one thing saving me from being a certain mislynch.

[Visor]

Erm....

Hmm.

No clue what I was thinking. I think it's.... GH and Punisher get bus drivered, they can't both be wolves because wolves wouldn't just bus drive each other. But that only works if the bus driver is a wolf, so it's a massive brain fart.

It's been a long day.

heh no worries

it's been a long day for about two weeks here

[Visor]

i shot zack as well fyi

i wanted to shoot takhisis but figured clearing up the wagons from d1 would be better in the long run despite my suspiscions that zack was indeed a villager after everything

seems weird to shoot someone you thought was a villager, but i figured i'd do what is best for the village as a whole

[El Barto]

Takhisis isn't playing in this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i shot zack as well fyi

i wanted to shoot takhisis but figured clearing up the wagons from d1 would be better in the long run despite my suspiscions that zack was indeed a villager after everything

seems weird to shoot someone you thought was a villager, but i figured i'd do what is best for the village as a whole

I knew as soon as I saw the reveal that there was a vig.

No SK and no mafia hits Zack that night.

REALLY REALLY wanted to draw the kill off of the vig so you'd be alive here.

Utterly baffling that the shot lands on JHT.

IMO there's a town bus driver, and they bus drove one of the masons with jht.

That person should hard claim so we can lock the game.

Unless like, from their perspective, the wolves are always toast today anyway. In which case, they can bus drive you and....

Hmmm.

Gotta be careful how to play that.

You know where I'm going with that but all those kinds of decisions have to be made at the town bus driver level.

Directing that publicly doesn't work.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: El Barto

[atheotes]

Alright then, Vote: El Barto

[Eldrick]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Mr Pizza is to blame for my presence.

/in.

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Of course now I can't be mysterious and secretive. It was all part of my grand strategy.



I can never escape. Admittedly it would probably help if I tried.

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Yes. Yes I do. It was completely out of line.


Also, I concur with atpg's read on Visor, and Visor's read on Jarrema (not as strongly as they do).

vote: Jarrema

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Jeez, I lose internet for about 48 hours and then have to read 500 or so posts?



Actually agreed, I have done that before and would do it again, although I have strong history of trusting...

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Visor has a point about atpg, culturally different between sites. edse gives horrible reasoning, and considering the low votes today, a vote for atpg is low risk move for scum,...

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I don't either.



You are way too kind

More seriously, I'm not sure why scum would murder me and have you lock clear, rather than killing you, doesn't make much logical sense to...

Punisher's content in entirety. He only had 6 posts.

Agrees with Visors read on Jarrema and votes him.
Agrees with Visor's point, defending Pizza. Calls edse, reasoning horrible, and calls voting for Pizza a low risk move for scum.
A lot of these posts don't explain very well who he's talking about. I think he's addressing Pizza.

Lots of agreeing with Visor and Pizza. Only issue was with edse's vote. I think there's scum in one of these 3.

[atheotes]

the result of the fortunate vig hit on Punisher does not look good for pizza.

Though pizza did seem open in requesting Punisher to be his mason partner, he still needs to answer Edse's question.

[atheotes]

Punisher has been killed.

He was Com.p.ar coffee table, vanilla mafia.

What other kinds of mafia do we have?

Regarding John, i guess he only had 2 x use of his ability to commute and did not use it last night.
Visor targeting GH and Punisher being hit, looks like we have a village bus driver or mafia with a random bus driver.
So it does not give us any information on GH's alignment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

the result of the fortunate vig hit on Punisher does not look good for pizza.

Though pizza did seem open in requesting Punisher to be his mason partner, he still needs to answer Edse's question.

No, I think I'm going to let the self evident nature of my claims stand.

If I get got here based on the info that's in the thread it is an acceptable outcome, because lolmafia games.

[Eldrick]

Actually, Pizza saying punisher is his mason partner clears him in my book. Cuz if he knew punisher's alignment, he wouldn't have said that imo.

[Eldrick]

What's the case on El Barto? Why is he getting votes?

[Sooh]

Votes:

GH (1) - El Barto

El Barto (2) - Al Sips, atheotes

Not voting: Eldrick, Golden1Knight, Raith Kemmler, GH, edse, BSmith, Visor, Askthepizzaguy

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the case on El Barto? Why is he getting votes?

I think it's purely by virtue of not being clear when there are basically 4 people clear.

I haven't even done the POE yet but if there's a town bus driver and they hard claim unprovoked like right now, I think that would be five and that doesn't leave much room for two remaining woofs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Votes:

GH (1) - El Barto

El Barto (2) - Al Sips, atheotes

Not voting: Eldrick, Golden1Knight, Raith Kemmler, GH, edse, BSmith, Visor, Askthepizzaguy

If people self-clear and not vote the bus driver, it's getting pretty hard to miss.

I'd feel bad that we win basically because playbad and role claim to victory, but it's better than playbad, role claim, still lose.

[Eldrick]

I'll start a competing train on Vote: edse

Might be a connection between him and punisher with punisher commenting on his vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: edse

Kinda weird this game. Let's make it more popular.

[atheotes]

Actually, Pizza saying punisher is his mason partner clears him in my book. Cuz if he knew punisher's alignment, he wouldn't have said that imo.

That is simply WIFOM. When Pizza claimed he may not have known about the existence of a vig.

[Eldrick]

What does the existence of a vig have to do with it? I don't see pizza doing that as punisher's teammate, because killing one outs the other. We could have gotten the same result from lynching punisher.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll happily join the edse wagon on this one.

Vote: edse

[atheotes]

What does the existence of a vig have to do with it? I don't see pizza doing that as punisher's teammate, because killing one outs the other. We could have gotten the same result from lynching punisher.

Provided he gets lynched. It would be a gamble which pizza is capable of taking...

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: edse

[edse]

What? I tied Punisher for the lynch yesterday but Pizza saved him in the last minutes.

[edse]

Vote: Visor, his claim doesn't hold water at all.

[edse]

I know, without a doubt, that Visor killed johnhughthom.

[Sooh]

Votes:

GH (1) - El Barto

El Barto (2) - Al Sips, atheotes

edse (4) - Eldrick, Askthepizzaguy, GH, Golden1Knight

Visor (1) - edse

Not voting: Raith Kemmler, BSmith, Visor

[Askthepizzaguy]

Provided he gets lynched. It would be a gamble which pizza is capable of taking...

I want to be very clear about this, because it's a core principle of my play that won't ever change.

Core principles so far:

1) It is okay for people to guess wrong. Berating them in postgame or insulting them personally is not kosher in my play style.
2) If you are the real cop, faking guilty results on people is extremely extremely bad for the game, as is faking good results.
3) Claiming mason on day one as mafia and having an actual mafia partner verify that you are his mason partner is the single stupidest idea that has ever been conceived of.

I can probably cite you many instances of me laughing at the idea of claiming mason on d1 as mafia, especially under no pressure, time pressure or vote pressure.

And it's come up in many games after that, even if there aren't masons. Pointing out how I've been lynched on d1 as a claimed mason under no time pressure as the single worst thing that village has ever done.

There are some rules I just don't break. Even if they're rules I made for myself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What? I tied Punisher for the lynch yesterday but Pizza saved him in the last minutes.

So go into more detail about your thought process in that moment. Why'd you tie up the votes there?