IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually wait.

Visor has a point about atpg, culturally different between sites. edse gives horrible reasoning, and considering the low votes today, a vote for atpg is low risk move for scum, so...slight scum lean. Eldrick strong town lean. Takhisis is being Takhisis. Al Sips is being very quiet by his standards, I'm reading the majority of posts made as townie in general. I don't like any of the lynches today so far.

BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Double A


I would vote for Visor for the bs yesterday with Jarrema, but horrible idea in game terms. vote: Al Sips, but could easily switch to another of the above 4. An edse lynch would be a weak case, and IMO would get more info by leaving him alive, and a potential lynch another day.

Unvote: Golden1Knight
Vote: Punisher

Seems weak, got a classic scumslip or two.

[BSmith]

i still think takhis is mafia but at least he posts

Tak is the strongest read I have at the moment, but that said it is not all that strong. vote: El Takibarto If you think he is scum then you should vote for him. Lynching an inactive is not usually productive as there is little info to gain and the chances are high that they are town.

I realize I have been contributing to the lack of contribution, but man there is not a lot to go on today. Zack kill is curious as he would easily have been a lynch target today. Choxorn makes sense as the suggestion was made that he was a doctor. Are we certain that there is a vig in play here? I suppose I could see Zack as a good vig target as he was under a lot of suspicion and removing him at night would let us focus on other targets.

Town lean –
Visor
atheotes
Eldrick

Anyone else could be scum in my mind. As for ATPG – not sure what the strategy is behind the multiple (and likely fake) claims. I think atheotes is right that this tactic would generally trip up town more than mafia. I’ve played a lot of mafia but haven’t really seen the fake claim bit work effectively – probably due to it not being used much where I play. What is the rationale behind it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote analysis. The persons in blue are never getting lynched this game ever, or are already known to be villagers.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse

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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher


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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
GH (6) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (3) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy
GH (5) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Choxorn
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Choxorn (1) - Jarema

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AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy, Visor, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Choxorn
Jarema (4) - Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips
GH (2) - Raith Kemmler, El Barto
Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (6) - BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler
Choxorn (1) - El Barto
Jarema (9) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn, GH, askthepizzaguy
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse

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Votes:
El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler

Not voting: BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Punisher, Eldrick, askthepizzaguy, Double A

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Votes:
atheotes (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - atheotes, Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Al Sips- (1) Punisher
Punisher- (1) GH
El Barto- BSmith

Not voting: Golden1Knight, Al Sips, askthepizzaguy, Double A

So I need to know the alignments, town/mafia, of several additional persons.

For example, the people in THIS SECTION today:

Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Al Sips- (1) Punisher
Punisher- (1) GH
El Barto- BSmith

Raith, john, Edse, Al Sips, GH, El Barto, BSmith

Have to have a couple wolves in it. So if you're a villager in this section, think about what's going on.

Edse it would be great if you stopped voting for Visor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

My vote looms over the unfortunate designer furnishings like the sword of Damocles. Seventeen players, and only so many places for the scummos to hide. Perhaps three scummos. If I took five shots randomly, how many scummos could I hit?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Khaan
GH
johnny boy
Zackleeno
Golden1Knight

Well. If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble.

Trollface.jpg

Vote: Khaan

Mason chat:

"Ok, Golden1Knight, this is the breadcrumb I'm using.

Sword = Knight
Seventeen = Where you appear on the player list
If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble = My mason partner's name is on this list

Three clues in one post directly after calling myself lock clear. That's the crumb. You can explain the crumb if I die and you need to prove you are the mason.

Oh, forgot the last one

The other names on that list are informal. Yours is spelled formally, indicating you're different from the others."

Punisher let's be mason buddies this game. I promise I will never vote you and vice-versa.

"This is me deliberately trying to get the mafia to murder Punisher instead of you, Golden1Knight.

I will breadcrumb that later on.

#Reminding myself to do this."

"288 references you, btw.

This should help people understand that Punisher is the ruse, you're the real mason."

Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

[edse]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Mason chat:

"Ok, Golden1Knight, this is the breadcrumb I'm using.

Sword = Knight
Seventeen = Where you appear on the player list
If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble = My mason partner's name is on this list

Three clues in one post directly after calling myself lock clear. That's the crumb. You can explain the crumb if I die and you need to prove you are the mason.

Oh, forgot the last one

The other names on that list are informal. Yours is spelled formally, indicating you're different from the others."



"This is me deliberately trying to get the mafia to murder Punisher instead of you, Golden1Knight.

I will breadcrumb that later on.

#Reminding myself to do this."

"288 references you, btw.

This should help people understand that Punisher is the ruse, you're the real mason."

Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

How do you know that Punisher isn't the vig?

[Askthepizzaguy]

SNIP

This was the hard mason breadcrumbing post, I put it in lime green but it shows up poorly so I'll go through it again really quick in regular color.

My vote looms over the unfortunate designer furnishings like the sword of Damocles. Seventeen players, and only so many places for the scummos to hide. Perhaps three scummos. If I took five shots randomly, how many scummos could I hit?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Khaan
GH
johnny boy
Zackleeno
Golden1Knight

Well. If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble.

Trollface.jpg

Vote: Khaan

Simplified version:

1) Sword of Damocles, a knight carries a sword. Referencing Golden1Knight.
2) Immediately after Sword of Damocles, the number Seventeen is written out. In Sooh's player list, Golden1Knight was listed as the seventeenth player.
3) Immediately posted after my opener where I said I was a villager+lock clear, indicating that I'm about to breadcrumb another lock clear
4) In my list of five shots, I have four players written out with nicknames or shortened names, but Golden1Knight is written out completely as it appears.

There are later clues. I reference him in post 288 as well.

There are no similar clues referencing Punisher, the claim that I was mason with him was more overt and involved trying to get him to actually confirm it verbally in the thread, which is completely daffy and the first thing a scum team would look for. Hence why I did it.

Punisher being scum instead is pretty funny.


At the top of this post is a link back to the original which I copied directly from Mason chat:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"Ok, Golden1Knight, this is the breadcrumb I'm using.
Sword = Knight
Seventeen = Where you appear on the player list
If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble = My mason partner's name is on this list

Three clues in one post directly after calling myself lock clear. That's the crumb. You can explain the crumb if I die and you need to prove you are the mason.

Oh, forgot the last one

The other names on that list are informal. Yours is spelled formally, indicating you're different from the others."

"This is me deliberately trying to get the mafia to murder Punisher instead of you, Golden1Knight.

I will breadcrumb that later on.

#Reminding myself to do this."

"288 references you, btw.

This should help people understand that Punisher is the ruse, you're the real mason."

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yknow, I could have had an okay game, outside of the whole aggressively lynching villagers, running Khaan off, and trying Zack's patience, and breaking the tie in favor of a townie instead of a scum.

Outside of that massive bucket of AIDS I had an okay game. Top notch.

<_<

>_>

[Eldrick]

I think I somehow completely missed that post the first time around.

[Eldrick]

I'm also a little disappointed nobody commented on my avi.

I did it for you, Zack :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm also a little disappointed nobody commented on my avi.

I did it for you, Zack :)

Well Zack deserves something this game. A win would be nice and seems likely atm.

[El Barto]

the game is gonna be a town loss because zack died a villager and both of us are probably villagers

‘Probably’ a villager?

I'm not. I am adamantly lynching someone because they are inactive cuz if we are wrong, there is no information gained.

adamantly against*

+++FREUDIAN SLIP DETECTED +++

So, seireikhaan went berserk when we tried to lynch GH, for whom I am still voting and who hasn't yet explained himself.
Then (post #616)
Like I said earlier, willing to give GH some time to warm up and see where he goes. I liked and respect the post he did about building up slower than usual.
Why the reluctance? Are you two lovers by any chance?

Tak is the strongest read I have at the moment, but that said it is not all that strong. vote: El Takibarto If you think he is scum then you should vote for him.

I don't think I'm scum so I amn't voting for me. Does that help in any way?

[Sooh]

Votes:
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - atheotes, Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (2) - johnhughthom, Golden1Knight
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Atheotes (1)- Visor
Punisher (1) - GH
El Barto (1) - BSmith

Not voting: BSmith, Al Sips, Punisher, askthepizzaguy, Double A



3 1/2 hour to go!

[El Barto]

Where's my 23 bazillion kroner?

[Visor]

vote: el barto

[El Barto]

Oh, that's it.

unvote; vote: Visor(slash)

[Punisher]

Punsiher, i dont see any reason why you wouldnt want to confirm if you are pizza's mason partner.

I don't either.

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

You are way too kind

More seriously, I'm not sure why scum would murder me and have you lock clear, rather than killing you, doesn't make much logical sense to me. Also, I am very confused as to how/why I was supposed to go along with it.

On the one hand, saving atpg seems to be imperative as he's claiming masons with Golden. On the other, what's the case on Raith?

Theres a case on Raith?

Not voting: Punisher

vote: Al Sips

[El Barto]

Theres a case on Raith?

I don't know. But atpg's claimed mason is voting for him. Also atpg's being voted by atheotes and Visor takes his vote off atheotes before atheotes can be tied for the lynch. So Visor's playing silly buggers.

[Visor]

mat

vote el barto and lets be done with it