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    Hello everyone, Theris here, I'm looking to start a Crusades Hotseat campaign. While I'm not new to Medieval 2 Total War I have not done a Hotseat before, so I'm still new to this part of the game. Here are the basic rules for the game, which are subject to change.

    Rules
    1. You have 48 hours once you receive the save file to carry out your turn and pass it to the next player. (Extensions allowed for special circumstances)

    2. When you send the save please send a PM as well to let the next person in line know when it’s their turn.

    3. Each player is allowed only 1 fort in each of their provinces, and these forts can only be built by the Faction Leader and Heir. You cannot build a fort in an enemy Territory.

    4. Battles are to be led, not auto resolved.

    5. No Jihads

    6. All players are to start with a blank Diplomatic sheet, meaning that you will start with no Allies and no Enemies.

    7. Each player is allowed 1 Assassin and 3 Spies, they may have as many Priests, Merchants and Diplomats as they can produce.

    8. Assassins are allowed any of their actions on any percent

    9. Players my not Initiate Diplomacy with the AI, if they are offered a deal they must choose either to accept it or reject it, no haggling.

    10. Alliances and Non-Aggression pacts may be made in public or in secret, public treaties must be sealed with a Diplomate, while private treaties are a simple agreement between players.

    11. Public treaties may be disbanded at any time, just be warned that other players may not trust you afterwards.

    12. Armies are not allowed to wait inside a navy at port.

    13. A Navy may not sneak out of a blockaded port, the must lift the blockade.
    Banned Exploits
    1. Merchant Fort

    2. Agent squashing

    3. Movement bug of any kind. However, sending your general to attack a settlement then bringing the rest of the army is allowed.

    4. Recruitment pool increasing

    5. Attacking ships inside a port

    6. Pushing enemy agents with your own agents. You can push them with your armies

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    Kingdom of Jerusalem - OPEN
    Principality of Antioch - Theris
    Egypt - OPEN
    Turks - Nightbringer
    The Byzantine Empire - Myth
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    I'm down for the Byzantines.
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    Excellent ^^

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    @Nightbringer?

    Also pinging Visorslash and @SilverShield in case they wanna join.

    edit: wow, visor is gone?
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    Oops, thanks for the ping! I'll take the Turks. Gotten out of the habit of visiting regularly lately.
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    Excellent! lol Its all good ^^

    So, do either of you have anyone else who would be interested in playing as well? Cause it looks like we will still have an open faction

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    No, i don't think so. We can do a 3 Free-for-all game with some light roleplaying in it. Care to set it up @Theris ?
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    Sure! that sounds like it will be interesting. I'll set it up using the Steam version, unless you guys are using the disks.

    Also... how do I send the save file? through Email? or is it possible to send it through a PM?
    Last edited by Theris; 05-10-2016 at 04:51. Reason: more information

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    I've got the disk version, and i can't recall at the moment if there is any issue with that. do you remember @Myth?

    As for saves, you can actually upload them on this site and then just link to the file in a post on the forum.

    You upload them by going to downloads at the bar on the top of the page and on the top left there will be a button to upload a file. Just make sure you've stuffed it in a zip file first or it is likely to be too large for the site.
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    Alright, let me know if its an issue.

    My turn is done and here is the file, Myth is next

    and so it begins XD

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=3

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    oh, and just a heads up that if you put an @ symbol in front of a person's name, it will notify them that you mentioned them in the post. Can be useful when letting people know it is their turn.
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    OK, Theris please add the fort rule as well. I'll do my turn tonight and yes, using the .org file uploader is best IMO. Very easy to go back in turn history if we need to replay anything.
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    @Theris i got the save, we're using regular unit size. Want to switch it to huge before we get it underway?

    Also, the rule about assassins:
    . Assassins are allowed any of their actions on any percent < we should make it so that one assassination per turn is allowed and it should be the very first action done on that turn. Otherwise it's assassin wars and with forts restricted to FMs it can get really nasty.

    Here are the rules from CoG 3 which was lead battles:

    Rules

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    Each player has 48 hours to complete his turn (not counting weekends). After that the Admin may skip his faction or he can be subbed.

    Do not bypass or ignore zones of control to lift a siege (or in any other way).

    Do not attack ships in ports.

    Armies boarding ships in ports can't stay there for more than one turn.

    Don't leave blockaded ports without beating the blockading ships first.

    Don't stack merchants in armies or forts to get more than one to stand on the same resource (Merchant Fort)

    No surrounding armies or agents to destroy them. (Surround&Destroy)

    Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)

    Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.

    Enable "Unlimited men on battlefield" in order to not abuse when leading battles vs the AI (PM me for instructions, though SS has this on by default)

    Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

    Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.

    Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.

    Assassins are allowed to target agents (not FMs/generals) but the players are limited to one assassination attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else. Upon a successful assassination the game admin can load that player's save and attempt the assassination. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.

    Spies cannot open anything, not vs. the AI and not vs. players.

    Crusades and Jihads cannot be called, joined or used/exploited in any way.

    ONLY religious buildings can be destroyed upon the conquest of a settlement and ONLY if they are of a religion different than your own.

    No trading of provinces to receive free troops. If you trade provinces, make sure they have no garrison prior to the exchange.

    No deliberate deals that would put you in debt above -10,000 florins.



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    factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
    when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.

    These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth;
    (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.
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    yes please, Completely forgot about that ^^, I'll update that right away

    I agree, though I thought that an assassin can only preform 1 assassination per turn by default?

    Thanks ^^ I think we should incorporate some of these rules as well.

    Do not bypass or ignore zones of control to lift a siege (or in any other way).

    Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)

    Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.

    Enable "Unlimited men on battlefield" in order to not abuse when leading battles vs the AI

    Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

    Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.

    Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.

    ONLY religious buildings can be destroyed upon the conquest of a settlement and ONLY if they are of a religion different than your own.

    No trading of provinces to receive free troops. If you trade provinces, make sure they have no garrison prior to the exchange.

    No deliberate deals that would put you in debt above -10,000 florins




    Also, here is the updated File with huge Army sizes ^^, and lets get this started

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local....php?catid=108

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    Sounds good, let's do this :)
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    @Nightbringer Turks up.

    We wish to inform the Turkish sultan that our two daughters are traveling for Anatolia with their baggage train and escort. We have entrusted them with our will in regards to diplomacy. Until such a time has arrived when they have presented themselves at court, we will keep the peace between the Roman empire and the Seljuk Sultanate.
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    sorry on the delay guys, I'm having trouble with getting my game to launch the kingdoms campaigns. They aren't showing up in the launcher for some reason. Any ideas myth? If I have to do a reinstall it may take a few days as I'll have to dig up the disc at my parent's house
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    Never mind, got it figured out.

    Antioch / Knights Hospitaller up. @Theris
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10722

    Let it be known that the Sultan of the Seljuks welcomes the daughters of the Roman Emperor into his lands, and shall ensure their safe passage to our cities and beyond. although our peoples have been far from friends for some time, we hope that a new age of peace may soon dawn. Both you and us have enemies and rebels in our own lands to deal with, and bloodshed between us can do no further good.

    As to the new comers, crusaders as you call yourselves, we cannot claim to see your actions so far in a positive light, but if you show yourselves ready and willing to stick to the coasts and leave the fertile banks of the Tigris and Euphrates to us we do not see why a new order of prosperity for all cannot be established.
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    Excellent ^^

    Byzantines your up @Myth

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=108&id=10720

    Prince Bohimand would inform the Turks, that we only came to this land for Jerusalem, and having obtained our goal shall respect your boarders so long as you respect ours. Let there be peace and prosperity between our peoples.

    We of the Knights Hospitaliar send our greeting to the great Byzantine Empire, may the wine never stop flowing and peace between us last a thousand years.

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    @Theris this is the turn 1 save mate.
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    Right ^^, sorry about that, this should be the right one, still getting use to the tools and layout on here ^^,

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=108&id=10723
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    @Nightbringer Turks up.

    We have offered terms to the Turkish Sultan, hopefully they are to his liking.
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    Antioch up @Theris
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10725

    The Sultan is glad to accept the terms offered by his neighbors.
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    Your up @Myth

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=108&id=10726

    (sorry for the wait, my girlfriend was pregnant and went into Labor this week, so things were a little hectic.)

    May the lifeblood of trade fill our kingdoms Great Sultan.

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    Sounds hectic indeed. Hopefully things have all turned out well though. :)
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    @Theris Congrats! And for a moment I read "heretic" and was ready to send my priests over. Wait, that's what I intended to do anyway:

    "To the most valiant and holy Grandmaster of the knights Hospitalier and duke of Antioch:

    While we are eternally grateful for the wars of the Holy Cross and the return of the Holy Lands under Christian rule, where our pilgrims may once again travel unhindered by Turkish or Arab raiders, we nevertheless must insist on reinstating the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. The Ecumenical Patriarch has insisted on returning Jerusalem to Orthodox Christianity. While that may seem difficult to achieve without military conquest, it is not impossible. Thus, we must ever serve our lord Jesus Christ and as such insist that the patriarchal See of Antioch and the patriarchal See of Jerusalem be reinstated with thine blessing.

    Forthwith we shall dispatch clergymen to these cities, so that they may attend the needs of our local Orthodox subjects. As you may know, much of the commoners who live there are in fact, greeks. In addition to the ecclesiastical expedition, we mean to send a purely secular escort of men-at-arms and auxiliaries, as well as traders and diplomatic envoys.

    We must also insist that neither Antioch or Jerusalem fall under Muslim occupation, but trust in your ability to uphold your duty.

    Singed and sealed by the Basileos of the Eastern Roman Empire"

    In layman's terms, the basileos is asking for two parties to be sent out to Antioch and Jerusalem. They will consist of Orthodox priests, merchants and perhaps other agents, as well as a force of troops lead by a general. The Faction Heir will accompany them to build a fort in each province, then leave the general to oversee the stacks there. These armies will ensure the peace of these regions and especially oversee the conversion of the local populace to Orthodox Christianity. Should any Muslim invasions begin, these armies will assist.

    I posted the letter here because it stands to reason that such an undertaking can't really be hidden from the Turkish spies.
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    Not sure if you got the chance to play the turn yet @Myth, but there isn't a link to the save. :)
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    Facepalm, I forgot :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    Facepalm, I forgot :D
    Again? XP
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    Default Re: Crusades New player Hotseat

    @Nightbringer sorry for the delay. Turks up.
    The art of war, then, is governed by five constant
    factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
    when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.

    These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth;
    (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.
    Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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