Israel Thread

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Sure, though there isnt much in the way of free speech but I suppose in the grand scheme of things thats better than most in the region.

If its government actually practices what it claims for itself and give its citizens equal rights. This would actually be in Israel’s favor in the grand scheme of things. Until then, I can see a lot of countries that are better, and they don’t have to be as liberal to do that because they don’t prevent weak people from basic human services every day.

So free that you can protest without being fired upon by the military?

And people do demonize Bibi. A lot. I strongly dislike the man and he has done terrible things, but now you are doing what Israel's apologists do- point fingers at others to deflect criticism.

Before things got out of hand, Assad dealt with protesters the same way the Israeli police dealt with Arab protesters. If you read up on the Syrian protests from non-western or less biased Arab media outlets you’ll see that Islamists fired from the crowds and planted snipers, you’ll even see that Assad began the reformation process before his voice was buried by his powerful enemies. If people really had Syria’s best interest in mind they should’ve been more diplomatic and avoid threatening to destroy the big guns rather than force them to make concessions (which they started doing btw). Damascus is pro-Bashar, violent protests came from the countryside and invaded the city, most violent protests in Syria want an Islamic state, not a Syrian one.

So why did you say that they were funding them earlier.

They did, this is why Syria is where it’s at now. Who do you think everyone was talking about with the "moderate" rebels? There are over 1,000 brigades, they have no problem being wolves in sheep's clothing if it gets them what they want.

Well first off, the 1/3 statistic is if you include everyone in the West Bank and Gaza. They arent citizens, and dont get to vote in Israeli elections. Yes, the military occupation of the West Bank is bad, and needs to end. So does the stranglehold over Gaza. But at the same time they arent Israeli citizens which is why pretty much all human rights organizations who deal with that area list Israel as being "free" in that regard.

And this is how Israel circumvents what it supposedly stands for. Its human rights violations dealing with people under its control outweighs some of the “not free” countries in Freedom House.

So besides the fact that in this case pretty much all the evidence pointed to Hezbollah involvement, theres a whole bunch of other terror attacks I can list that were linked to Hezbollah. But really it is coming across that you simply deny the fact that Hezbollah is, at its core, a terrorist organization.

You’re passing this off as a fact, but it isn’t. The word has no meaning, not in Islamic politics or any politics. Ask the people of Lebanon if Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

Yes, and its a real issue that the world and Israel have to deal with (though Bibi isnt a dictator nor do I think that Israel is truly an apartheid state but whatever). But at the same time, don't whitewash the crimes of their neighbors when going after the crimes of Israel.

The only progressive Israel is a post-Zionist Israel. As of now, it’s dominated by ethnic nationalism at the constant expense of another group, so I feel it deserves to be thrown in the same basket.