Israel Thread

[Fragony]

As fair and justified critism I suppose. The critism isn't always fair and justified though, a lot of it.

[HopAlongBunny]

It would look like an empty glass?

[Strike For The South]

Naz Shah is more a victim of the runaway train that is identity politics, rather than anti-semtisim.

Labour can only blame themselves. There's an assassination piece on the independent right now whcih has all the trappings of vapid leftist journalism, only being employed by a right winger.

[Brenus]

A non anti-semitic criticism of Israel looks like the peace-now Israeli movement criticism. Quite easy.
You don't say Hitler had good reasons, you don't quote the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", or mention any international conspiracy.
You come with the right reason why you are against the actual Israeli's policy.
You treat Israel as a normal state, in confrontation with others for reason you analyse.
You don't pretend to be anti-Zionist in order to hind you are anti-Semitic.

A lot of lefties became anti-Semitic in being pro-Palestinian, the righties being anti-Semitic from birth.

[Greyblades]

Anti semetic, anti zionist, either way they're being extremely idiotic about how they express their criticism.

Poor Corbyn, he must be feeling the same sting Cameron does whenever one of his cabnet comes off as hating the working class.

[Papewaio]

It would look like an empty glass?

No country is perfect so we all have issues to deal with. First step is to look at points of commonality, shared interests and then look at the issues.

Even the Amish have internal conflicts, normally limited to cutting off each other's beards... So I'm sure there are issues in Israel even without looking at the elephant in the room.

Name me a country that is perfect and I'll show you a propaganda state... I'm looking at you North Korea.

[Fragony]

Question to OP, how are you just not admitting that anti-sematic critism on Israel just exists. I'd like to turn things around. Surily Israel can be critisezed or even hated. But why not hate the rest there or anywhere in the universe and surroundings. Perhaps there just happens to be a thing called anti-semitism?

[Husar]

Eh, most of the left doesn't like Israel because Israel is on the right, the country votes largely based on fear and therefore ultra-conservative, has people who believe they have a god-given right to take other peoples' land away (and are hardly stopped by the government when they do it) and so on. Show me another modern country that acts like that and is liked by most people. North Korea, Russia, ISIS?

I think the government has slowly come around to stopping the illegal settlement practices and at the same time it seems criticism has gone down...

[Myth]

Taking Palestinian land because of might makes right and developing nuclear weapons are the two things I really dislike about Israel.

[Fragony]

Eh, most of the left doesn't like Israel because Israel is on the right, the country votes largely based on fear and therefore ultra-conservative, has people who believe they have a god-given right to take other peoples' land away (and are hardly stopped by the government when they do it) and so on. Show me another modern country that acts like that and is liked by most people. North Korea, Russia, ISIS?

I think the government has slowly come around to stopping the illegal settlement practices and at the same time it seems criticism has gone down...

There is more than enough that is rightfully critised. But I it's how selective the crititism is that kinda makes me suspicious about why people are bothered by Israel's behaviour so much, there are much worse regimes that don't have a magnifying glass hovering over it. If the most outspoken critisers have a really good reason to convince me that it isn't because it is a jewish state I am open for their arguments. Won't automatically assume anti-semitism but I suspect that in many a case it actually is. A mild version, not like nazi's, but some sort of inherent distrust. Israel deserves to be critised, won't say it doesn't.

[Gilrandir]

Israel is on the right, the country votes largely based on fear

... and not groundless fear. So cut them a slack.

[Fragony]

... and not groundless fear. So cut them a slack.

Ya. without excusing the colonists (who aren't exactly popular) it shouldn't be that hard to admit that Israel exists in a very hostile place

[Husar]

There is more than enough that is rightfully critised. But I it's how selective the crititism is that kinda makes me suspicious about why people are bothered by Israel's behaviour so much, there are much worse regimes that don't have a magnifying glass hovering over it. If the most outspoken critisers have a really good reason to convince me that it isn't because it is a jewish state I am open for their arguments. Won't automatically assume anti-semitism but I suspect that in many a case it actually is. A mild version, not like nazi's, but some sort of inherent distrust. Israel deserves to be critised, won't say it doesn't.

It's about as selective as the support, a lot of countries throw weapons, technology and other support at Israel in a way that other allies don't get it. And the whole Holocaust thing put Jews in an even bigger spotlight. This also makes a lot of people think that people who claim to know what it is like to be treated in an incredibly unfair way should know better than to do the same to others.

... and not groundless fear. So cut them a slack.

Taking more land away from other people and talking smack about the neighbors will surely remove the reasons for that fear sooner rather than later.
When was the last time peaceful coexistence was successfully enforced with guns? Crimea?