Israel Thread

**Gilrandir** · 05-09-2016, 19:29

Originally Posted by Husar

Taking more land away from other people and talking smack about the neighbors will surely remove the reasons for that fear sooner rather than later.

When was the last time peaceful coexistence was successfully enforced with guns? Crimea?

When Israel proclaimed its foundation it was made war upon at once before it started taking land form others. Later it happened again and again, not to mention constant terrorist attacks inside the country. Arab countries which border on Israel have an issue with the very existence of Israel. Wouldn't it make anyone talk smack of those who do it? A country which lives in the perpetual state of alert (or war, for a change) is not likely to act differently, talk differently or vote differently.

**Fragony** · 05-09-2016, 19:40

Ya. Violence against jew by the usual suspects, are there any excuses for that as well, or mayyyyyybe a lot of muslims just hate jews. And a (very succesful) Jewish state outright offends them. Especially because they will never match them in anything.

**AE Bravo** · 05-09-2016, 20:26

You mean Arab countries don't match them in anything. "Muslim countries" is an overstatement. Also, Israel is an illegitimate country, an anachronism as long as the current regime stands. When it reforms its discrimination against its very own citizens as a democratic state than you can talk about how it has the right to do anything.

Who knows, maybe they will someday.

**Fragony** · 05-09-2016, 20:49

Originally Posted by Showtime

You mean Arab countries don't match them in anything. "Muslim countries" is an overstatement

Fair enough. But has got to hurt to see Israel do so well when one thinks islam is superior

**Pannonian** · 05-09-2016, 21:59

Originally Posted by Showtime

You mean Arab countries don't match them in anything. "Muslim countries" is an overstatement. Also, Israel is an illegitimate country, an anachronism as long as the current regime stands. When it reforms its discrimination against its very own citizens as a democratic state than you can talk about how it has the right to do anything.

Who knows, maybe they will someday.

Israel is by some distance the best of an exceptionally bad bunch. It doesn't make them good by western standards. But it makes them very good indeed by middle eastern standards. It's probably best to accept them as a middle eastern country, and judge them by these standards, than to think of them as a western country and judge them by these standards.

**AE Bravo** · 05-09-2016, 22:23

By international and middle eastern standards, Arab countries are better at tourism, immigration, and commercial policy. Israel takes the cake in terms of military and technology due to zealous western backing since its creation.

**Pannonian** · 05-09-2016, 23:38

Originally Posted by Showtime

By international and middle eastern standards, Arab countries are better at tourism, immigration, and commercial policy. Israel takes the cake in terms of military and technology due to zealous western backing since its creation.

Funnily enough, most westerners don't have these things in mind when they think of the key qualities of civilisation, or what the difference is between a good society and a bad society. Britain today is a considerably better place than the Britain of C18, and no one would say it's because of better tourism, immigration and commercial policy.

**AE Bravo** · 05-10-2016, 01:19

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Funnily enough, most westerners don't have these things in mind when they think of the key qualities of civilisation, or what the difference is between a good society and a bad society. Britain today is a considerably better place than the Britain of C18, and no one would say it's because of better tourism, immigration and commercial policy.

Just because you personally disregard them, doesn't mean they're not key qualities. What are the key qualities of Israel?

And why are all your posts so bigoted like your way is the end all be all, the blueprint to heaven or some isht..

**Husar** · 05-09-2016, 23:08

Originally Posted by Fragony

Your own for example, and the Polish weren't exactly very kind to Germans.

love this animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iha3OS8ShYs what are we yapping about really

I thought you jusdge a country by the standards of its time and not by comparatively ancient ones?
That is why I asked about the many changes AFTER WW2, because in the time frame you linked to there was no Israeli state for the most part.
If we're going to apply medieval standards now, how about we burn you as a witcher? I saw you flying around a clock tower tonight...

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

When Israel proclaimed its foundation it was made war upon at once before it started taking land form others. Later it happened again and again, not to mention constant terrorist attacks inside the country. Arab countries which border on Israel have an issue with the very existence of Israel. Wouldn't it make anyone talk smack of those who do it? A country which lives in the perpetual state of alert (or war, for a change) is not likely to act differently, talk differently or vote differently.

Israel was basically founded with a terror campaign and the establishment of the state was basically forced on a lot of people. I'm sorry that it surprises you that people are angry if something is forced upon them. The major reason Israelis are scared today is probably not that all the neighbors will invade again because it seems a lot of the neighbors have gotten used to it. What scares them are the terrorist organizations, some of which exist because Israelis settle on land these people formerly owned and others of which do indeed exist because of older grudges apparently.

If you support Israel conquering land for security though, then surely you agree with Russia conquering Crimea to secure its harbor?