Israel Thread

**AE Bravo** · 04-30-2017, 17:37

Don't bother, you'll get more responses to articles about crazy truck drivers running over European marketplaces.

Europe gonna Europe. Israel founded by Europeans do the math.

**Pannonian** · 04-30-2017, 18:05

Originally Posted by Showtime

Don't bother, you'll get more responses to articles about crazy truck drivers running over European marketplaces.

Europe gonna Europe. Israel founded by Europeans do the math.

Europeans are supposed to feel guilty about what Israelis do?

BTW, the US was founded by Europeans too. If Europe is such anathema to your sensibilities, why don't you live somewhere where Europeans have no historical influence whatsoever, or where their miniscule influence is considerably outweighed by the glory that is Islam? That is your ancestral culture, isn't it?

**AE Bravo** · 04-30-2017, 18:21

Originally Posted by Pannonian

BTW, the US was founded by Europeans too. If Europe is such anathema to your sensibilities, why don't you live somewhere where Europeans have no historical influence whatsoever,

Off the face of the earth? No thanks I'm good.

Try not to kick me out.

**Pannonian** · 04-30-2017, 18:32

Originally Posted by Showtime

Off the face of the earth? No thanks I'm good.

Try not to kick me out.

The middle east is your thing, isn't it? Islam has far greater influence in these Muslim countries than the west does, and to a greater degree with each passing generation, if Pakistan is any indicator. Western liberalisation will soon disappear from there and other Muslim countries, so you can return there in the gratifying knowledge that you won't have to endure European Euro-centrism, but can nestle contented in that glorious culture that is modern Islamism.

And BTW, don't try to guilt us into taking responsibility for the crapshow that is Israel/Palestine. Both sides turned on us in the second half of the 1940s, telling us to bugger off so they can sort things out by themselves. We buggered off as they wished, and now you want us to feel guilty for not doing anything about it? They didn't want us to do anything about it. They wanted us to clear off, which we did. Now it's their responsibility, not ours. And while Israel is by some distance the closest in that region to us culturally, they are still middle eastern, and fundamentally alien to us. Well, except their liberals and socialists, but they're losing traction there too, so Israel too can become a properly middle eastern country in a few generations time. No more bleeding heart Euro-liberalism for the Israelis, but full immersion in the cruddy culture of that region.

**AE Bravo** · 04-30-2017, 18:41

Not sure what you're talking about, Pakistan is more your concern than mine. I do not live in an Islamist country, mine is a federation.

Also, Israel's founders and the ones currently on top of the pyramid are eastern European and not middle eastern. A western entity for all intents and purposes.

**Idaho** · 04-30-2017, 18:50

Originally Posted by Showtime

Don't bother, you'll get more responses to articles about crazy truck drivers running over European marketplaces.

Europe gonna Europe. Israel founded by Europeans do the math.

Not all battles are glorious victories. Not all warriors get become great heroes. Not everyone gets make the decisive charge that routs the enemy. Some of us trudge on wearily with the wagon train for long years. But we still fight the good fight.

**Pannonian** · 04-30-2017, 19:00

Originally Posted by Idaho

Not all battles are glorious victories. Not all warriors get become great heroes. Not everyone gets make the decisive charge that routs the enemy. Some of us trudge on wearily with the wagon train for long years. But we still fight the good fight.

They've won the good fight. They kicked us out decades ago. We're not going back.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 04-30-2017, 19:34

Originally Posted by Pannonian

They've won the good fight. They kicked us out decades ago. We're not going back.

I believe Idaho was referring to himself as fighting "the good fight" by continuing to expose Israel's actions and thus work to curb or stop them despite a lack of response by many of those he seeks to persuade.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 04-30-2017, 18:54

Originally Posted by Showtime

Don't bother, you'll get more responses to articles about crazy truck drivers running over European marketplaces.

Europe gonna Europe. Israel founded by Europeans do the math.

Some truth to this, for sure. Add in that some in the West view Israel as a sort of apology for failing to act against the Nazi pogroms against European Jews and you can see where some in the West view Israelis as an "us" to the Arab world "them."

Grossly oversimplifies the whole thing of course, but many of us like our cognitive efforts kept simple.

Most of my students view the actions of Israel in Gaza as a wrong, but they know little about it -- certainly far less then they know about the judging panel of the Voice or which acts are performing at which club.

**Pannonian** · 04-30-2017, 18:59

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Some truth to this, for sure. Add in that some in the West view Israel as a sort of apology for failing to act against the Nazi pogroms against European Jews and you can see where some in the West view Israelis as an "us" to the Arab world "them."

Grossly oversimplifies the whole thing of course, but many of us like our cognitive efforts kept simple.

Most of my students view the actions of Israel in Gaza as a wrong, but they know little about it -- certainly far less then they know about the judging panel of the Voice or which acts are performing at which club.

What isn't a simplification is that neither side wanted us to remain there. So we're gone, and good riddance to us, and good riddance to that hellhole that they call the holy land. Whoever wants it is welcome to it.