Turkey Thread

[Husar]

That’s something I’m sure everyone can agree on, but it’s not what this is about. Turkey is being driven away and it naturally reverts to its own values to ensure its own security. Saying Turkey should reform one way or another isn't realistic. There’s not enough trust from both sides to outright commit to sudden reforms, Turkey has to ease in and have incremental shifts.

Diplomatic shortcomings from both sides. You’re not acknowledging that it’s a vicious circle.

If demanding someone not to torture prisoners is driving them away, then I'll happily drive them away.
Cry me a river if you don't like that, maybe we can compare it to the rivers the torture victims are crying.

Whining? I'm replying, and it's only my second(?) post in this thread. When did you become so thin skinned?

Your first post seemed very much like a complaint and I may have exaggerated a bit.

I don't argue that Turkey is going in the wrong direction, I merely submit that europe is in part responsible for this change in direction as a result of europe not wanting a non 'european' nation inside the tent.

I repeat, they did not take this attitude to bosnia.

It's not Bosnia's fault that it is more European than Turkey. I also never complained that we are not in NAFTA despite our near spotless record of cooperation with the US since WW2. If it is so easy to annoy Turkey and make it go off into a more islamistic direction then it just proves the point that Turkey doesn't belong into the EU.
Saying that Europe is in part responsible may be true, but the state of Turkey is responsible to a far larger degree given how fast it turned away once it didn't get what it wanted. That's childish and dangerous behavior of the kind we shouldn't let into the EU. You could also turn it around an d say Turkey is blackmailing the EU by saying it will either get in or turn into an islamist dictatorship. Blackmailing countries like that should also not be in the EU. I haven't heard about Bosnians electing an islamist wannabe dictator to spite the EU. But even then, Bosnia is much smaller and easier to influence should it take a wrong turn, influencing Turkey once it joins would seem much harder, especially with such a temper...
It has to show that it fits into the EU before it joins and not afterwards. Most EU politicians seem to think just the same.

Technically. Yet both consist of almost the same countries (Norway is in NATO, but not in the EU, and some others -vice versa). Thus values of both neatly match.

NATO is built on the value of how much does someone hate Russia, NATO countries also have military alliances or dealings with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, etc. Would you say that means these countries also share values with the EU and should be considered as members?
Shouldn't be so hard to see the difference between a nation being a "valuable" military ally and it sharing the same democratic and liberal values. That you mention Norway as an example is actually hilarious, don't tell me you'd compare it to Turkey in terms of democratic values.

The British also have a wrongly-placed steering wheel in their cars... Wait, they do have to Brexit and join Japan or something.

If the Brexits leave, we can finally enforce driving on the right side across the EU, so they can't get in again until they adapt to our values.

[Gilrandir]

NATO is built on the value of how much does someone hate Russia, NATO countries also have military alliances or dealings with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, etc.
Would you say that means these countries also share values with the EU and should be considered as members?
Shouldn't be so hard to see the difference between a nation being a "valuable" military ally and it sharing the same democratic and liberal values. That you mention Norway as an example is actually hilarious, don't tell me you'd compare it to Turkey in terms of democratic values.

We can argue back and forth on the values NATO is built around - I could call it trust in joining forces for defending against anyone (including Russia). But there is no denying the fact that the core NATO members are the core EU members. So whatever their values are (trust in democracy or common hatred of Russia), NATO and EU are a blurred entity (let's call it EUNATO, shall we?) that when focusing on different things - economy or defense - is formalized in two types of institutions.

Norway is in no way compared to Turkey, I just mentioned it as a country that is a member of one and out of the other institution. But it acts together with the EU when the common values are an issue (like sanctions against Russia).

Do Turks live in Russia

Where do they not live?

[Fragony]

Don't know, maybe they should do the DNA-test the neo-sultan said they should take if they disagree with him.

total freak. Needs padded walls and a selfhugsuit

[Fragony]

ffs. My condeances Turkey

[Greyblades]

Istanbul Ataturk airport attack: Deaths rise to 41 as Turkey mourns.

Turkey is observing a national day of mourning after a gun and suicide bomb attack on Istanbul's Ataturk airport killed 41 people, including 13 foreign nationals.

Three attackers arrived in a taxi and began firing at the terminal entrance late on Tuesday. They blew themselves up after police fired back.

Officials say 239 people were injured, with 41 still intensive care.

PM Binali Yildirim said early signs pointed to so-called Islamic State.

However, no-one has so far admitted carrying out the attack.