Brexit Thread

**Beskar** · 06-26-2016, 17:34

There is a lot of general upset with the leave campaign from many "Out" voters after recent things in the news about all the lies and scandals which are now showing up.

Quoting from someone who voted Out: "I am really upset, these people such be held to account, I voted in good faith with what I was being told, and turns out they lied about it all"

In other news, increase in racist incidents post-brexit.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ales?CMP=fb_gu

**Fragony** · 06-26-2016, 17:41

Originally Posted by Beskar

There is a lot of general upset with the leave campaign from many "Out" voters after recent things in the news about all the lies and scandals which are now showing up.

Quoting from someone who voted Out: "I am really upset, these people such be held to account, I voted in good faith with what I was being told, and turns out they lied about it all"

Of course there are lies. It's a direction not a solution that fixes everything, those who think it was are really dumb. But the direction is good imho

**AntiDamascus** · 06-26-2016, 18:05

That's a lovely way of thinking. Yea we lied, but it was to get us to this point, now start fixing the thing we caused.

**Greyblades** · 06-26-2016, 18:15

Damascus: My thinking is "these idiots jumped on my bandwagon and lied while being pulled along by us, your side lied back harder, had public sympathy for the murder of a politician, had support from all sides, and you still lost, because my side's underlying arguments and convictions were stronger"

**Husar** · 06-26-2016, 18:32

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Damascus: My thinking is "these idiots jumped on my bandwagon and lied while being pulled along by us, your side lied back harder, had public sympathy for the murder of a politician, had support from all sides, and you still lost, because my side's ~~underlying arguments and convictions~~ lies were stronger"

Corrected.
You can thank me later.

There are also stories of people who voted leave to spite politicians and because they thought remain would win anyway. As an outsider I have to say it's a great show of political incompetence.

Which makes all the praise of the great democratic traditions of Britain even more hilarious of course.

**Fragony** · 06-26-2016, 19:02

Laugh again when your savings are going to be spread, it has already been decided

Nexit will be next, we will team up with England, Denmark and Norway

**Husar** · 06-26-2016, 19:16

Originally Posted by Fragony

Laugh again when your savings are going to be spread, it has already been decided

You really seem to live in your own world.
Why else would you think that I had savings of more than 100k € or thereabouts?
Would it really hurt me to lose some if I did? Could I not afford food anymore if my 200k € in savings got cut by 10%? Would I lose my home? My car? My computer? My yacht? Maybe my private jet and helicopter?

People who save cash for retirement obviously put it under their pillow where the gubmint ain't get it or give it to a banker so he can invest and then lose it in the next financial crisis. Maybe a Nexit and Dexit will ruin your retirement funds right away, but then you can start saving again in the knowledge that at least there won't be any foreigners paying taxes into your retirement fund when you get old.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rs-netherlands

To give a sense of the Dutch inclination for Europhobia: Wilders currently polls at less than 20% of the vote. The Netherlands has a real democracy rather than a first-past-the-post system so 20% really means just 20%.

Oh and this is for everyone, emphasis mine:

For a sense of how important this is, one might quote the most important Europhobe billionaire, Australian-born, US immigrant Rupert Murdoch. When asked why he opposed the EU, Murdoch was recently quoted as saying that this was “easy” to understand: “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”

**Greyblades** · 06-26-2016, 18:25

In other words, something irrevocable whose effects will last for decades does not and should not have a manifesto against which its promises can be gauged.

Or in other words the greatest question of the day was answered by a referendum and what happens next is up to us. Promise and manifeso are moot because this isnt an election; no one man or group is being given power and thus has to live up to promises they made. It was not an issue of "what i will do for you" it was "which option do you like better". If you actually decided based on the promised of the leave you are no less foolish than if you decided on the promise of the remain, for their promises were no less baseless.

**Pannonian** · 06-26-2016, 18:32

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Or in other words the greatest question of the day was answered by a referendum and what happens next is up to us. Promise and manifeso are moot because this isnt an election; no one man or group is being given power and thus has to live up to promises they made. It was not an issue of "what i will do for you" it was "which option do you like better". If you actually decided based on the promised of the leave you are no less foolish than if you decided on the promise of the remain, for their promises were no less baseless.

And there I was thinking that I was living the promises of the remain camp.

**Greyblades** · 06-26-2016, 19:13

Originally Posted by Pannonian

And there I was thinking that I was living the promises of the remain camp.

I'm sorry are we in WW3 now? Someone should tell Europe, I'm sure they'd like to know their leaders are supposed to be turning thier back on us, and that the're behind on throwing our people in thier lands out of their homes.

**Pannonian** · 06-26-2016, 19:44

Originally Posted by Greyblades

I'm sorry are we in WW3 now? Someone should tell Europe, I'm sure they'd like to know their leaders are supposed to be turning thier back on us, and that the're behind on throwing our people in thier lands out of their homes.

Voting remain would have meant the status quo.