Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

Or in other words the greatest question of the day was answered by a referendum and what happens next is up to us. Promise and manifeso are moot because this isnt an election; no one man or group is being given power and thus has to live up to promises they made. It was not an issue of "what i will do for you" it was "which option do you like better". If you actually decided based on the promised of the leave you are no less foolish than if you decided on the promise of the remain, for their promises were no less baseless.

And there I was thinking that I was living the promises of the remain camp.

[Greyblades]

And there I was thinking that I was living the promises of the remain camp.

I'm sorry are we in WW3 now? Someone should tell Europe, I'm sure they'd like to know their leaders are supposed to be turning thier back on us, and that the're behind on throwing our people in thier lands out of their homes.

[Pannonian]

I'm sorry are we in WW3 now? Someone should tell Europe, I'm sure they'd like to know their leaders are supposed to be turning thier back on us, and that the're behind on throwing our people in thier lands out of their homes.

Voting remain would have meant the status quo.

[Greyblades]

Voting remain meant relying on cameron's promise of specal treatment, which he hadnt guarenteed by the time of the vote, and likely wouldnt have gotten if remain had won in significant numbers.

[Pannonian]

Voting remain meant relying on cameron's promise of specal treatment, which he hadnt guarenteed by the time of the vote, and likely wouldnt have gotten if remain had won in significant numbers.

There was an announcement shortly after the result that the agreement made in February was now voided, and will not exist in the light of Britain's new status. That would strongly suggest that the agreement did indeed exist, as something that did not exist could not be voided. The British commissioner also resigned as the EU's finance minister after the referendum result, saying that he had campaigned against the EEC in the past and was a Eurosceptic, but on balance, thought that Britain's membership of the EU was beneficial to our economy and our status in the world.

[Greyblades]

There was an announcement shortly after the result that the agreement made in February was now voided, and will not exist in the light of Britain's new status. That would strongly suggest that the agreement did indeed exist, as something that did not exist could not be voided.

Existed as an agreement, but was it finalized? Enacted?

Cameron got a promise, but he didnt get it done before the vote and until it was enacted it could be revoked, and when placed against a beligerent Juncker and a untrustworthy EU it was impossible for cameron to guarentee it would be respected after a solid Bremain vote reinforced the EU's confidence.

The British commissioner also resigned as the EU's finance minister after the referendum result, saying that he had campaigned against the EEC in the past and was a Eurosceptic, but on balance, thought that Britain's membership of the EU was beneficial to our economy and our status in the world.

Principle says it doesnt matter if you are comfortable and of high status if you cannot decide your own direction, and pragmatism says economic health and status did not help the working poor. The EU was great for those already prosperous but it hurt those at the bottom rung, it hampered our ability to change their state for the better and facilitated those who wished to distract from the issue.

[Pannonian]

Existed as an agreement, but was it finalized? Enacted?

Cameron got a promise, but he didnt get it done before the vote and until it was enacted it could be revoked, and when placed against a beligerent Juncker and a untrustworthy EU it was impossible for cameron to guarentee it would be respected after a solid Bremain vote reinforced the EU's confidence.

Principle says it doesnt matter if you are comfortable and of high status if you cannot decide your own direction, and pragmatism says economic health and status did not help the working poor. The EU was great for those already prosperous but it hurt those at the bottom rung, it hampered our ability to change their state for the better and facilitated those who wished to distract from the issue.

Good point. One needs to be able to determine one's own direction, and the EU has not been good for those at the bottom rung. So now that the EU has been removed from the equation (notwithstanding the concerns from the Leaving communities about how the shortfall from EU subsidies will be made up), let everyone determine their own direction. London's tax money should no longer be at the disposal of the regions, as London ought to be able to determine the direction of its own taxes. And the regions should be able to determine their own direction, free from the hated EU and free from the hated London.

Can Cameron hang on long enough to give us a third referendum, this time to divorce London and the south east from the rest of the country? That would conclusively solve the problem of London-centrism once and for all.

[Beskar]

Nigel Farage is not part of the official campaign, and he is not an MP. There is no reason for him to be included. Sorry Lizardo, but it is a bad call for him to be included.

[Lizardo]

Nigel Farage is not part of the official campaign, and he is not an MP. There is no reason for him to be included. Sorry Lizardo, but it is a bad call for him to be included.

But neither is Daniel Hannan he is a MEP just like Farage and Douglas Carswell was a tory but defected to UKIP because he knew UKIP would win his seat so now he basically cut off ties with UKIP and is not UKIP but in name, yet both of them were included. The conservative goverment denied his request for Official governement funding. Official or not he was a major influencer in the Debates.