Brexit Thread

[Beskar]

And Leadsom's been pulled up for her ideas on making Brexit work for small businesses. Zero employment regulations. No minimum wage, no notice of termination, no limits on working hours, no employee rights, no nothing. Lloyd George and Churchill would be weeping at the rolling back of their social reforms.

Yup, referred to that in the selection for Arch-Villain thread.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

One thing we can agree on that happened with this referendum result... British politics is getting destroyed.

Not really - the Conservatives are having an entirely normal leadership election. Given that we have a parliamentary system, and not a presidential one, the change of leader and Prime Minister is not a matter of concern for our democracy. A lot of people have been talking bollocks about an "unelected Prime Minister" but whoever replaces David Cameron will have been elected by their constituents.

As to what's happening with the Labour Party - it's only a crisis because Corbyn, having utterly failed to convince the working class even in Labour's heartland, not to Brexinate refuses to resign - even after having lost the support of the majority of the parliamentary party. Such a man can never be Prime Minister because he can never command the Confidence of Parliament, and also because he is an avowed Republican.

Lo, see the man who has strong principles and an unshakeable belief in his own moral superiority.

As to the "lies" told or the "divisions" revealed by the vote - these have been present for decades. It's just now suddenly obvious that politicians obscure the truth to get votes and London is completely divorced from the rest of the country, much of which lives in poverty relative to the Capital.

Aside from which, your comment is anti-democratic.

So much for the protestations that it was sovereignty that drove the Brexit vote. Sooner or later Brexiters let slip that it's all about the foreigners in their midst, taking their jobs and houses.

For many it was about sovereignty - for me it's about the right to determine our own fisheries and farming policy, and to be able to unelect politicians when they make bad decisions.

For a small minority it's about racism, but the dissatisfaction with Polish immigration has little to do with racism and a lot to do with wage depression, and it is brutally obvious that restricting EU immigration will open up jobs and force wages to rise.

Raising the minimum wage isn't a solution because it increases the problem of wage "leveling" where higher-skilled jobs are paid at the same rate as lower-skilled ones, pumping more money into social services isn't practical either, given the huge amounts we already spend.

The only long-term solution is actually to improve the situation in Poland, but all the EU has done since the financial crash is make things worse in poorer countries.

And Leadsom's been pulled up for her ideas on making Brexit work for small businesses. Zero employment regulations. No minimum wage, no notice of termination, no limits on working hours, no employee rights, no nothing. Lloyd George and Churchill would be weeping at the rolling back of their social reforms.

Yup, referred to that in the selection for Arch-Villain thread.

I wanted to quote these two together - because describing the leader of the Conservative Party as the "Arch-Villain" is risible given Pannonian's quote.