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    Default Re: UK referendum: Out and Lied to

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    My case with national borders is that they NOW are where they are, and start revisioning the map on the pretext that something was wrongfully wrung from someone (as Putin does) leads to what it has led. I'm sure every nation has some territories which it considers stolen.
    But that argument could have been made at any point in the past and can still be made at any point in the future. An EU superstate would solve it as far as the territories within it are concerned. And it shows that arguments such as "this space belongs to nation A, people from nation B cannot live there" are ultimately futile as nation B may be willing to change this through war. A good way to prevent this is that nation A and B just cooperate and ultimately merge or nation A joins a big superstate that nation B cannot afford to go to war with.
    Ultimately nation B may then want to join the superstate, too, because being outside is quite lonely, but joining it means trying to fit in, like not being a dictatorship, not torturing prisoners and all these annoying moral codes that the people inside take for granted but also find really obnoxious to ask from others in return for a trade deal. Probably better to buy the blood diamonds without asking how many children died in the mines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Which one of them?
    Vodafone, here's an Italian saying it a few times: http://www.vodafone.com/content/index/careers.html

    I can somewhat understand the "voda" = "who da", but the rest is just in your mind.
    Last edited by Husar; 07-08-2016 at 17:40.


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