Brexit Thread

[Greyblades]

I have in no form ever said or even implied that leaving the EU would cause all problems to vanish and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

[Gilrandir]

I have in no form ever said or even implied that leaving the EU would cause all problems to vanish and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

You blame the EU in the grievous present state of the UK and believe that Brexit is the solution.

[Greyblades]

Am I being trolled here?

[Husar]

Am I being trolled here?

Or maybe that is just how you come across to others?
Perhaps you would like to clearly state what you blame on the EU then, because to me it looked like you were saying the EU forces you to accept migrants and is therefore partially responsible for your unemployment situation, which again leads to homelessness. Therefore, or so I understand your argument, unemployment, and therewith homelessness, in Britain, can only be truly solved by leaving the EU, so the British can vote for politicians who lower immigration to a level that job groth is bigger than immigration.

That was the basis of our argument, wasn't it? My argument being, that the correlations or lack thereof that you assume, are not necessarily correct.

If your argument is that only a Brexit can fix all the problems elected British officials caused or tolerated for years, then I'd be REALLY interested in learning why you'd think that.

[Greyblades]

Are you mixing me up with lizardo or something?

My argument is that controling immigration is an essential factor to reduce unemployment, and through it: homelessness. We can produce jobs but if our companies are free to import foreigners willing do the jobs for wages the locals would not accept then the locals are just going to stay unemployed. The only way to solve that is to restrict the immigration rate so the compaines have to hire at least some local workers but the EU's open borders policy means we are legally incapable of blocking immigrants from the EU.

As long as we are under the EU's policys and the EU contains populations with lower wage expectations than Britons it makes the "solving" of unemployment a sysphean task.

[Husar]

Are you mixing me up with lizardo or something?

My argument is that controling immigration is an essential factor to reduce unemployment, and through it: homelessness.

That's what I said you said, where is the mixup?
Are you mixing up a correct interpretation of your posts with a false representation of your posts?

We can produce jobs but if our companies are free to import foreigners willing do the jobs for wages the locals would not accept then the locals are just going to stay unemployed. The only way to solve that is to restrict the immigration rate so the compaines have to hire at least some local workers but the EU's open borders policy means we are legally incapable of blocking immigrants from the EU.

As long as we are under the EU's policys and the EU contains populations with lower wage expectations than Britons it makes the "solving" of unemployment a sysphean task.

And that this view is not entirely correct was the subject of our debate, yes. Where is the problem other than that you seem to be running out of arguments and then accuse people of trolling or misunderstanding you? Or am I misunderstanding something here?

[Gilrandir]

We can produce jobs but if our companies are free to import foreigners willing do the jobs for wages the locals would not accept then the locals are just going to stay unemployed. The only way to solve that is to restrict the immigration rate so the compaines have to hire at least some local workers but the EU's open borders policy means we are legally incapable of blocking immigrants from the EU.

Unfortunately for you, any good thing that may come after Brexit is accompanied by an adverse one. For example, you get out of the EU, curb immigration, get more jobs for locals, but... severing ties with the EU will lead to shrinking job market for those who work in cooperation with the EU or in producing goods for them. Things don't work in a simple linear way, it's all intertwined and taking out a seemingly useless brick from the bottom layer may cause the whole construction to collapse.